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Glad to hear it wasn't my mouth (or key board from which it came) . But I'll have to agree with you that the people who have run the Chinese government for the last 80+ years will have MUCH to answer for when they stand before the great White Throne Judgement Seat and sentences are handed out. There isn't much that can be done right now for what's happened in China during our lifetime but there is hell-to-pay coming.
Don't think they'll be going there!
 
I think it's time for a break until we all cool off a bit.
 
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I still remember the stories about my Dad, Uncles and Granddad during the Great Depression. They lived on small family farm/ranch in Utah so they grew much of their own food including a few chickens, a milk cow and a few hogs.

One story was about how food was scarce for everyone and one night while traveling back home they came upon a truck that hit few Muleys. They gathered up the roadkill and had plenty of venison for some time.

Another story s about the smooth rounded stone wrapped in a cord hanging above the old coal/wood stove. They called it a "soup stone". Grandma would put the stone into a pot of whatever thin soup they were having "for flavor". Of course it was just a ploy for the small kids. I remember seeing it way back in the early 1960s but never paid much attention to it then. I kind of wonder what ever happened to that "soup stone".

A lot of those old Depression era recipes are long gone now but I remember eating a lot of bland foods with loads of salt and pepper. Sure were a lot of carrots and potatoes because they grew well there. Also a lot of wild grown watercress, spinach and onions.

In all, they never really went without but they had to improvise a lot. Today, I doubt many would make it with the limitations and fewer family farms. We used to be a somewhat "agrarian" society then. Today, not so much.
 
My grandmother would mix bread with ground meat for meatloaf or burgers. Even into the 1970's she did this.

For the first 30 years of my life I mostly ate packaged food or food that did not require refrigeration or cooking, but occasionally I would stay with my grandmother, who always cooked meals. It was a long time before I realized burgers and meatloaf were not supposed to be made with bread mixed into the meat.

Not long ago, one of my aunts told me she called these meals "breadburgers".
 
OK…my turn. In the SHTF scenario, t will really be the SHTF scenario! EMP will definitely bebemployed. This means no vehicles, no radios, anything electronic will be toast. That means the masses, ready to fight or clueless, will be on foot. I live 160 miles northeast of Vegas. Hot, dry arid miles away? Few, if any, will make it
 
OK…my turn. In the SHTF scenario, t will really be the SHTF scenario! EMP will definitely bebemployed. This means no vehicles, no radios, anything electronic will be toast. That means the masses, ready to fight or clueless, will be on foot. I live 160 miles northeast of Vegas. Hot, dry arid miles away? Few, if any, will make it
The ones that get to your place will be driving old mechanical injection diesels running on heating oil or anything similar. ;)
 
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OK…my turn. In the SHTF scenario, it will really be the SHTF scenario! I live 160 miles northeast of Vegas. Hot, dry arid miles away? Few, if any, will make it
Sounds like a less than ideal place to live in a post-EMP world. I'm curious what your plan envisions.
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Sounds like a less than ideal place to live in a post-EMP world. I'm curious what your plan envisions.
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Hunkering down…linking up with my neighbors, many of whom are armed. Vehicles burning cooking oil will be visible for 20 miles. Hell, I am 80…odds of it happening before my demise are slim! I have more C&Rs than Santa Claus, plus ammo. Selling some, BUT plenty left.
 
160 miles east of Vegas does sound like some hot and dry country. I don't believe it will be sustainable without air-conditioning. I hope you live in a cave and have a sistern full of potable water.
 
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Walk out basement, well shaded, and well H2O.
Just wondering, does that well depend on an electric pump? Potential weak point.

I just did a search for windmill well pumps and the results were not entirely satisfactory. Specifically, the ones being marketed appear to targeted at irrigation, not necessarily water for drinking and household use. It's very possible I'm somehow missing the picture though.

Along with many/most of my neighbors in my well-watered rural/small town area, I am blessed to have a flowing well around 80 feet deep. We all have electric pumps to boost the volume, but if the power goes out the well still flows at a much lower - but good-enough - volume and "head." Not sure how common that is around the country.


Nothing wrong with one of these either:
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ETA: nothing wrong with it if it doesn't freeze-up and become non-functional during the winter. That's the beauty of our flowing wells here: They just flow and flow no matter the temperature.
 
I have a piece of property (120 acres) in northeast Montana where if push ever comes to shove, I'd be able to hole up, hide out and hunker down with some degree of comfort. The water table is only 12 feet below ground level. I wouldn't trust that for potable drinking water without boiling it for 10 minutes first. But for all other purposes it would serve very well. There are mule and whitetail deer, pheasants, grouse, jack rabbits and a small lake with trout and other fish in abundance. Yeah, the garden growing season is short but eatable plants could be grown inside in 5 gallon buckets easily. A small "ghost town" nearby has only 10 permanent residence, who are of the same mind set as myself and well armed too.
 
Sounds like a less than ideal place to live in a post-EMP world. I'm curious what your plan envisions.
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Hold in place. While I am not LDS, there are many our here, and they don’t take crap from anyone. I live on a hill overlooking the freeway for 20 miles and have neighbors who have the same viewpoint I do. Between us we could arm a lot of locals. Food is grown locally, animals and crops, so long term food not a problem!
 
... I live on a hill overlooking the freeway for 20 miles and have neighbors who have the same viewpoint I do. Between us we could arm a lot of locals. ...
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