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The 'deep pantry' - food storage

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#1 · (Edited)
ETA: This is for a "medium one" scenario, not "the big one." Not the end of industrial civilization but things like, the midwest loses natural gas for six weeks starting Jan. 15. The nationwide electric grid goes down for month. All fuel deliveries go away for three months. The goal is to shelter in place in your (hopefully) rural homestead a reasonable distance from the horde. Also, avoid any gubmint roundups taking everyone to centralized "warmth and food" centers, etc.

IOW, life will eventually return to something normalish, but it could get ugly in the meantime,


The Deep Pantry

I have posted thoughts about long term food storage here, and somewhere mentioned a 30+ year experiment in pickle-buckets-in-crawl-space storage that seemed 90% successful. (Dry foods appeared fine but I don’t know how much nutrition they retained).

The “menu” looked like this:

“I picture a (very) full pantry, plus a pound per day per person of dry beans, rice, oats, wheat etc. Plus one gallon per month per person of cooking oil, with this item rotated every three years.”

The idea is that the first-need is calories, which are bulky but store well in these forms. You will still need a source of protein and micronutrients (vitamins and minerals), which have limited shelf-lives.

A human doesn’t need much of those however, so the idea is to have plenty of fuel (calories) stored to power your post-collapse hunt for them.

I’m not a fan of making freeze-dried the “core holding” – they’re fine as supplements – because you’d have to spend a fortune to get enough calories from them.

The alternative vision: A year’s supply of calories beats a month’s supply of balanced meals. Long after your neighbor has consumed his relative handful of meals you’ll still have the caloric energy to hunt-and-gather the much smaller quantities of protein and greens that are needed, etc.

So I’ve been thinking about that “deep pantry.” The vision is, what a thrifty farm-wife in the early 20th C might have stocked up. Two obvious categories are herbs-and-spices (condiments) and canned or preserved fruits and vegetables.

My imagination runs out at that point. The “mass quantities” of carb-and-lipid based calories are already taken care of by the bulk storage. The “deep pantry” is about the things that make life worth living not just livable.

Example: There’s plenty of flour and sugar in the bulk storage, so how about some yeast and cinnamon so you can make cinnamon toast? ;-)
 
#3 ·
my grandparents on my mother's side were farmers,

Grandpa managed a Dairy Farm for a set of wealthy brothers that owned a 360+ acre dairy operation,

they were fairly self sufficient, but still shopped at the store once every week or so for some items,

at least a 5 acre food plot, plenty of livestock, (they raised pigs, chickens, and the occasional duck or turkey

Grandma canned some stuff , froze others,

while they were poor as church mice,, they did not want for anything food wise,
they rarely bought canned or frozen vegetables, since they had those in storage that usually lasted a year, sometimes more,

I think they mostly bought bread (sandwich bread, grandma thought it was cheap enough, so she saved that time) flour, oil and a few staples, (coffee tea etc)



food storage was not a problem, they had plenty of pantry space in the big old farmhouse,

I would imagine, other than the inconvenience of loss of electricity (I don't recall how many head of cows they milked, but way too many to milk by hand 2x's a day, not to mention storage issues) they would not have much of a problem surviving in a SHTF type situation,

all the neighbors were like minded, and lots of family in the area as well to barter with or rely as a labor force too
 
#6 · (Edited)
Adult male thats physically active 3000 calories per day.
Adult female, 2000 calories.
7 year old, 1500 calories.
4 year old, 1500 calories.

Thats 8000 calories per day. Minimum 2 gallons of clean drinking water per day for 4 people, thats without you going out into the bush and sweating like a hauss trying to find the last squirrel with 22 rifle.

90 day siege translates into 720k calories, 180 gallons of water.

If your family is 150 pounds overweight going into 90 day siege, well then amount of domestic violence that will occur due to hunger pains and being stuck under same roof without McDonalds, Xanax, Alcohol, Florida trips, stupid shopping trips will be off the chart.

Also good ole disease such as dysentry, flu, etc. will wreck havoc under that roof.

Go in your house now, cut off electricity, running water, gas. Temperatures will easily reach 95 during daytime in July, and you will freeze to death in January inside your house. No running water means 4 people are using the bathroom outside, sponge bathing, washing clothes and dishes in a river / lake. No electricity also means you are cooking with fire, outside.

Your entire day will be consumed by using bathroom, bathing, cooking, arguing with your spouse about the conditions, and suffering from weather / hunger / disease / insects / evil people roaming, etc.

Oh and as far as religion and morals, those 2 concepts are only followed when the belly is full and your child is not dying in your arms from starvation and disease. Otherwise those 2 wonderful creations of ours go out the window and the human beast comes out.
 
#8 ·
Adult male thats physically active 3000 calories per day.
Adult female, 2000 calories.
7 year old, 1500 calories.
4 year old, 1500 calories.

Thats 8000 calories per day. Minimum 2 gallons of clean drinking water per day for 4 people, thats without you going out into the bush and sweating like a hauss trying to find the last squirrel with 22 rifle.

90 day siege translates into 720k calories, 180 gallons of water.

If your family is 150 pounds overweight going into 90 day siege, well then amount of domestic violence that will occur due to hunger pains and being stuck under same roof without McDonalds, Xanax, Alcohol, Florida trips, stupid shopping trips will be off the chart.

Also good ole disease such as dysentry, flu, etc. will wreck havoc under that roof.

Go in your house now, cut off electricity, running water, gas. Temperatures will easily reach 95 during daytime in July, and you will freeze to death in January inside your house. No running water means 4 people are using the bathroom outside, sponge bathing, washing clothes and dishes in a river / lake. No electricity also means you are cooking with fire, outside.

Your entire day will be consumed by using bathroom, bathing, cooking, arguing with your spouse about the conditions, and suffering from weather / hunger / disease / insects / evil people roaming, etc.

Oh and as far as religion and morals, those 2 concepts are only followed when the belly is full and your child is not dying in your arms from starvation and disease. Otherwise those 2 wonderful creations of ours go out the window and the human beast comes out.

while you are likely correct for the typical urban family,
not every one will have trouble cooking outside over a fire, or construct an outdoor kitchen, or even cooking inside over a wood stove,

my grandparents mentioned above never had AC, and it gets hot and humid in VA,

I had an aunt in the family that still used the wood kitchen stove up until the day she died, and cooked on it every day,

the family sold that stove for a good chunk of cash when she passed,

could I do the same,, likely yes,, but I don't have a wood stove in the house
 
#10 · (Edited)
If one is going to store it, one has to (most likely) grow it. Some vegetables are still open pollinated, so seed can be saved. But maize is not, and few among us are set up to grow wheat, oats, rye, barley, using pre-WW2 methods.

And most US soils now need fertilizer to be productive.

I did know a guy who fertilized his garden with "humanure" for awhile. He had the sense not to explain to his neighbor how those tomatoes got so large!!

But if people can grow and store potatoes then they have a shot. And grow kids to knock the beetles off of the foliage (into jars of soapy water).
 
#11 ·
From an ealier post elsewhere. I did not do a great job here painting a picture of this concept and application.


...Actually, many here may be reasonably well prepared to ride-out something like that, or close. If you live in moderately remote small town/rural area, have your Mormon’s standard-issue one-year supply of food for the household and guests, a hand pump or flowing well, and a woodstove with 10 cords, you may be good to go.

Most who are reading this can probably run a mental inventory of how prepared you are right now for one like this. Most but not all will have to acknowledge specific gaps, some easy to fill some not. Or impossible, like being socially or economically tied to a megalopolis without the resources to effectively retreat.

But if you are already established with all the necessaries in a remote rural/small town community, congratulations and lucky you. OK, smart you too, but in some cases that’s optional or secondary. ;-)
 
#12 ·
If you are willing you can supplement with nature if you want sites like "eat the weeds" tell you how just takes some learning and scouting