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His stock in post #3 looks to be laminated wood and has a bolt takedown in the stock. To my knowledge, the Yugoslav made stocks had neither of those two features. Looking forward to photos of your Serbian M1910 Bill!
Then that answers that question!!
 
Not all Yugo K98k stocks are the same. Up in Vancouver Canada there is a shop called Lever Arms. They had a bunch of RC K98ks a few years ago, and also had a bunch of extra stocks, even some nice G24t stocks. Some had RC numbers, others had Yugo numbers.

I ha bought 2 stocks from them for de-sporter projects. One fit great, the other was about 1/2 inch short. Turns out about half their inventory was like that.

Replacement stocks for Yugo K98k rifles rebarreled with Yugo made barrels for either the 24/47 or M48.

The staff at Lever told me they sold all those stocks to an importer here in the states and kept all the full length ones.

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That is good news that your stock is cut for the cupped buttplate which you already have AND THAT YOU HAVE THE CORRECT (UGLY) TRIGGER GUARD. You might be able to find a pair of stamped bands cheap on Ebay, Gunbroker, or Numrich.

The 'winter' triggerguard is Czech made. They had been receiving stamped triggerguards from German manufacturers before the war ended. Then, for whatever reason, they chose to make their own stamped triggerguards instead of resuming manufacture of their own milled triggerguards. I have heard that the 'winter' triggerguard was a Mauser design but never produced by Germany.

Your bayonet photo shows that your stock is full length. You should pick up a VZ24 bayonet for your rifle, they are not very expensive as bayonets go. Finding one with post WWII markings would be next to impossible, except - I recently bought one from Royal Tiger Imports along with my Ethiopian VZ98N rifle. I just checked their website and they still show to have six post WWII VZ24 bayonets priced at $79.99 each. Order one before the other collectors see this; the website operates 24/7.

All the photos I put in this thread are from my collection.


* BREAKING NEWS *
The Sierra auction on Proxibid tonight had an "UNKNOWN M1910 RIFLE" in the auction. I was able to ID it as a Serbian M1910 short rifle. Serbian M1910 long rifles and various Serbian carbines are rare enough, but this was a SHORT RIFLE. Mauser Military Rifles of the World, Fifth Edition shows a photo of a short rifle and says on page 319 that the one in the photo is the only one known "and this rifle may be unique". RIFLES of the WORLD 3RD EDITION mentions only the long rifles.

I am always on the lookout for deals and steals. This one was a STEAL. I got it for $325 + 17% auction fee + 3% credit card fee + shipping + $10 transfer fee.

The bad news is that the forearm of the stock is cut off about two inches in front of the rear band and the front band is missing. The good news is that I already have an empty Spanish M1893 long rifle stock and bands. The Spanish forearm, front band, and band spring are identical to the Serbian, aside from the forearm being longer. I'm thinking that the Spanish front end will look really good on the Serbian M1910 short rifle, spliced under the rear band. It does have the original unaltered handguard.

Never throw away any Mauser parts.

Now I'm looking for a correct Serbian bayonet . . .


Update: I just ordered a M1895 type Serbian bayonet & scabbard with C mark for Serbia on the spine from Otto at ebayonet.com for $55.00 + shipping. That seems like a really good price and the condition looks fine. I thought the Serbian M1899 bayonets were double edged but research showed that was only the Serbian bayonets made by Plumb during WWI (which are more expensive, like $200-$250).

That Sierra auction in AZ is a real pain and I can see why collectors don't look at it. I hate to go through it because it is always vast numbers of modern guns with never anything interesting. I did buy a used Rossi .38 revolver there once to give to a friend.

Perseverance pays off.

Original 1910 photo of what Mauser called Serbian M1910 Cavalry Carbine
325 were made; 2 are known in the US.
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Serbian bayonet I just ordered
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Be sure to post pictures of that one when you get it!

(PS there are more than 2 known in the US)
 
Not all Yugo K98k stocks are the same. Up in Vancouver Canada there is a shop called Lever Arms. They had a bunch of RC K98ks a few years ago, and also had a bunch of extra stocks, even some nice G24t stocks. Some had RC numbers, others had Yugo numbers.

I ha bought 2 stocks from them for de-sporter projects. One fit great, the other was about 1/2 inch short. Turns out about half their inventory was like that.

Replacement stocks for Yugo K98k rifles rebarreled with Yugo made barrels for either the 24/47 or M48.

The staff at Lever told me they sold all those stocks to an importer here in the states and kept all the full length ones.

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Maybe Numrich bought those shortened K98k stocks. They were selling them a few years ago for about $79 or so. They also noted that a modified hanguard that they listed was also needed for those shorter stocks. They did point out that those stocks and handguards were only the right fit for a Yugoslav refurbished K98k that got the shorter replacement barrel, which is something other vendors/sellers sometimes don't mention!
 
Be sure to post pictures of that one when you get it!

(PS there are more than 2 known in the US)
If there are two known (mine and in MMROTW5th), there are probably 12 in the US.
 
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That is good news that your stock is cut for the cupped buttplate which you already have AND THAT YOU HAVE THE CORRECT (UGLY) TRIGGER GUARD. You might be able to find a pair of stamped bands cheap on Ebay, Gunbroker, or Numrich.

The 'winter' triggerguard is Czech made. They had been receiving stamped triggerguards from German manufacturers before the war ended. Then, for whatever reason, they chose to make their own stamped triggerguards instead of resuming manufacture of their own milled triggerguards. I have heard that the 'winter' triggerguard was a Mauser design but never produced by Germany.

Your bayonet photo shows that your stock is full length. You should pick up a VZ24 bayonet for your rifle, they are not very expensive as bayonets go. Finding one with post WWII markings would be next to impossible, except - I recently bought one from Royal Tiger Imports along with my Ethiopian VZ98N rifle. I just checked their website and they still show to have six post WWII VZ24 bayonets priced at $79.99 each. Order one before the other collectors see this; the website operates 24/7.

All the photos I put in this thread are from my collection.


* BREAKING NEWS *
The Sierra auction on Proxibid tonight had an "UNKNOWN M1910 RIFLE" in the auction. I was able to ID it as a Serbian M1910 short rifle. Serbian M1910 long rifles and various Serbian carbines are rare enough, but this was a SHORT RIFLE. Mauser Military Rifles of the World, Fifth Edition shows a photo of a short rifle and says on page 319 that the one in the photo is the only one known "and this rifle may be unique". RIFLES of the WORLD 3RD EDITION mentions only the long rifles.

I am always on the lookout for deals and steals. This one was a STEAL. I got it for $325 + 17% auction fee + 3% credit card fee + shipping + $10 transfer fee.

The bad news is that the forearm of the stock is cut off about two inches in front of the rear band and the front band is missing. The good news is that I already have an empty Spanish M1893 long rifle stock and bands. The Spanish forearm, front band, and band spring are identical to the Serbian, aside from the forearm being longer. I'm thinking that the Spanish front end will look really good on the Serbian M1910 short rifle, spliced under the rear band. It does have the original unaltered handguard.

Never throw away any Mauser parts.

Now I'm looking for a correct Serbian bayonet . . .


Update: I just ordered a M1895 type Serbian bayonet & scabbard with C mark for Serbia on the spine from Otto at ebayonet.com for $55.00 + shipping. That seems like a really good price and the condition looks fine. I thought the Serbian M1899 bayonets were double edged but research showed that was only the Serbian bayonets made by Plumb during WWI (which are more expensive, like $200-$250).

That Sierra auction in AZ is a real pain and I can see why collectors don't look at it. I hate to go through it because it is always vast numbers of modern guns with never anything interesting. I did buy a used Rossi .38 revolver there once to give to a friend.

Perseverance pays off.

Original 1910 photo of what Mauser called Serbian M1910 Cavalry Carbine
325 were made; 2 are known in the US.
Sorry for the late reply. I wanted to wait to reply until I got some parts I ordered onto the rifle. I also got busy with things and I forgot to reply. Anyway, I wanted to get as close as I could to an original 'looking' stock as possible while not breaking the bank. The only similar stock was an Israeli k98k stock in my price range. So I ordered one and while I was at it, ordered stamped barrel bands. Im still waiting on my 'smooth' Czech post-war sling for a VZ98N/Kar98k, and also a VZ24 bayonet from Royal Tiger Imports. I got the stock, and the only thing I had to do was cut a groove where the band spring would go, as my Israeli stock had the short studded type. I carefully cut away with a dremel tool, and put it together. I am pretty happy with the end result, and am very happy that this rifle is that much closer to being in its original configuration! I can't thank you enough for all your information!

Here's some pictures of the end result of my VZ98N project:

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-Just to reiterate that its the same gun (metal)

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-To show its an Israeli stock

Also, all of your rifles are gorgeous! I am jealous that you have such a collection! And luck was on your side for that M1910! That would be such an awesome piece to have! Do you have any pictures of it by now?

-Cody
 
Sorry for the late reply. I wanted to wait to reply until I got some parts I ordered onto the rifle. I also got busy with things and I forgot to reply. Anyway, I wanted to get as close as I could to an original 'looking' stock as possible while not breaking the bank. The only similar stock was an Israeli k98k stock in my price range. So I ordered one and while I was at it, ordered stamped barrel bands. Im still waiting on my 'smooth' Czech post-war sling for a VZ98N/Kar98k, and also a VZ24 bayonet from Royal Tiger Imports. I got the stock, and the only thing I had to do was cut a groove where the band spring would go, as my Israeli stock had the short studded type. I carefully cut away with a dremel tool, and put it together. I am pretty happy with the end result, and am very happy that this rifle is that much closer to being in its original configuration! I can't thank you enough for all your information!

Here's some pictures of the end result of my VZ98N project:

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-Just to reiterate that its the same gun (metal)

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-To show its an Israeli stock

Also, all of your rifles are gorgeous! I am jealous that you have such a collection! And luck was on your side for that M1910! That would be such an awesome piece to have! Do you have any pictures of it by now?

-Cody
Hi Cody,

No photos of the Serbian M1910 yet. I do have the empty Spanish M1893 stock with the donor front end, band, and band spring. That will be an east fix, the hardest part being the drilling and inletting for the rear band (side) spring. At the moment, I am experiencing a minor health problem - so I put that project on the shelf for the moment. I promise to post photos as soon as I get it done.

Bill
 
Your barrelled action is a post WWII VZ98N (basically a K98k). Not a VZ24. Your stock is from a K98k. The VZ98N stock is not drilled for a cleaning rod. I can't see your stock very clearly but it looks like it is made for a flat rather than a cupped buttplate (an earlier stock). Stocks were robbed from VZ98N (cheaper rifles) by collectors to replace sporterized stocks on Kriegsmodell (late war) K98k (more valuable) rifles. Then the robbed VZ98N got whatever stock was available, often an RC K98k stock.

I think you need a flat buttplate for your stock. Your trigger guard is a later stamped K98k trigger guard, not VZ98N nor VZ24.

First two photos VZ98N (cupped buttplate)
Second 2 photos K98k (flat buttplate)
Third two photos Chinese K98k (flat buttplate)
Last two photos K98k (RC) (cupped buttplate)

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In the first 2 photos, would the hole in the bottom of the buttplate serve as the firing pin takedown ?
 
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