[seinen]

Ran across a small metal tag on buttstock of a training rifle. Looks to be an anchor within a cherry blossom on the receiver top. Just passing the information along.
https://simpsonltd.com/japanese-type-38-training-rifle-5/

That's going to be a property ownership designation, as opposed to a maker's label. To the best of my knowledge, Kaneyama was the only training rifle manufacturer that marked their products with buttstock tags.

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[seinen]

Kiipu,

Thank you for posting the Sakamoto Shop adverts. It's too bad the training rifle ad doesn't mention any specific brands.

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[Kiipu]

That's going to be a property ownership designation, as opposed to a maker's label. To the best of my knowledge, Kaneyama was the only training rifle manufacturer that marked their products with buttstock tags.

I located a second trainer with the same metal tag! Probably not relevant, but some Japanese schools had logos of their own as well.
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?736730-What-Is-This-Japanese-Rifle

 

[Kiipu]

Japanese Training Rifle Markings

Below is a link to an online article about some of the markings found on trainers. The article was published in January 2015 and was posted online in May 2016.
"Japanese Training Rifle Markings"
http://www.banzaionline.com/Trainers/Trainers.htm#Top_trainer_markings

 

[Kiipu]

東京擬銃製作所 = Tōkyō Gijū Seisaku-Jo = Tōkyō Dummy Gun Manufacturing

The bad news is that I know little about this company other than a single 1931 magazine advertisement. The good news is that at least one dummy rifle still exists in Japan.

 

[seinen]

Do you have any information or perhaps a catalog for the company that made the trainers with the "武" inside the cherry blossom? The logo is the one shown in post #43.

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[seinen]

The bad news is that I know little about this company other than a single 1931 magazine advertisement. The good news is that at least one dummy rifle still exists in Japan.

Are any images of the Japanese rifle available?

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[Kiipu]

Are any images of the Japanese rifle available?

Yes but I can not link to them publicly so PM sent instead.

 

[seinen]

Yes but I can not link to them publicly so PM sent instead.

Thanks...PM received.

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[Kiipu]

日本標的商會 = Nihon Hyōteki Shōkai = Japan Target Company

I have run into several advertisements for this Ōsaka City company during the 1926 to 1927 time frame offering training rifles for sale. For more information about this company, see the link below.

"Unique Japanese Rifle"
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1004434-Unique-Japanese-Rifle

 

[seinen]

Thanks Kiipu. Sure wish I could locate another example for study.

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[Kiipu]

日本特殊鋼株式會社 = Nippon Tokushu-Kō KK = Japan Special Steel Co., Ltd.

Apparently Nippon Tokushu-Kō KK used the same logo before and during the war. This same logo or a simplified version of it also shows up on ordnance items made by them as well. This means the rifle markings "Misc./Other C." and "Misc./Other F." that appear on the Japanese Training Rifle Data Sheet were more than likely not made by them.

 

[Kiipu]

Nitppon Special Steel (日本特殊鋼株式會社) used a simplified logo on small arms which looks like three disks slightly overlapping one-another counterclockwise. This logo has been found on numerous items made by Nittoku during the war years.

 

[seinen]

Nitppon Special Steel (日本特殊鋼株式會社) used a simplified logo on small arms which looks like three disks slightly overlapping one-another counterclockwise. This logo has been found on numerous items made by Nittoku during the war years.
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Sure wish I could locate some original ads from this company. So far, the quest has been unsuccessful.

On a brighter note, that Tokyo Giju Seisakusho trainer (only known example) has finally made it to the U.S. and will be featured, either here or in a Banzai article, soon. Thanks Kiipu for the auction links.

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[Kiipu]

seinen
I enjoyed reading your recent Iwasaki article. I do not know who made these particular trainers but I may have a lead for you. I ran across a 1928 advertisement for an Iwasaki Store 岩崎商店 that was selling training related materials. Hope this helps in your search for the maker.

 

[seinen]

Thanks very much Kiipu for the new information. Will ad this to my files and hope something additional comes along. I forgot to add photos of the sole known example of a Tokyo Giju trainer. Here you go. When I get some free time, I'll try to write up something for Banzai.

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[Kiipu]

Thank you for the sneak preview!

 

[nambu1810]

Will be looking forward to the Banzai article. A very unique trainer!

 

[Kiipu]

Do any of your directories list a company or principle with the name "Shibata?"

This company was called Shibata Kōgyō KK 柴田工業株式會社, located in Kamigōri, Akō-gun, Hyōgo-ken. At the end of the war, the U. S. Army’s 123rd Field Artillery Battalion, 33rd Infantry Division, reported the following inventory.

1. Shibata Industrial C. Ltd.
Unfinished rifles 15
Unfinished rifles (without rifle bed) 267
Parts 463

 

[waterdown]

Just purchased a Type 38 smoothbore trainer with matching serial on receiver side rail and bolt handle, Kanji characters on chamber breech that appear to be "Hayashi Shiki," and a school/training unit mark and numerals "199 67" on buttstock. I've inquired with banzaionline.com for assistance in deciphering the school/unit mark. I welcome your instructive comments. Thanks, Greg/Wisconsin