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Thanks.

That one doesn't look like a 1953 carbine either. The 'го' prefix has been documented on 1954 carbines though.

Curiously, there is no photo of the serial number on the cover-- which is the only dated part on the rifle.


I'm not sure I would call it an all matching rifle with an EP serial on the magazine. Technically, maybe.
Yep.
Lots of GB sellers like to take liberties with words like original, matching, non-import.
 
Recently noticed a number of SKSs at two LGSs. One had about six and the other two or three. Nothing special except a 54 Izzy in very nice condition for $450. Unfortunately, that one had been tacticooled with black plastic stock/handguard, some POS 30 rd. mag assembly and no bayonet. Probably still a deal if one wanted a $1,500. SKS had it not been ruined. Other SKSs in the rack were much more expensive, so don' think the shop owner had any idea...
 
After reading the seller's description, I'll put my wager down on ignorance.

"Tula produced SKS rifles only between 1949 and 1955, making any correct, matching-number example increasingly scarce. The 1953 production date places this rifle in the penultimate year of manufacture, identifiable by the clear “1953 r” stamp below the arsenal crest.
I'll take that bet.

Seller has almost 17,000 sales. No way he is ignorant and can't see the stock has been refinished.
 
I'll take that bet.

Seller has almost 17,000 sales. No way he is ignorant and can't see the stock has been refinished.
17,000 sales. That's a lot. Doubtful the seller is an expert on every one of them.
Wonder how many of those sales were SKS carbines and of those how many were soviet.

There's nothing fraudulent in the listing or description. Just a very obvious lack of knowledge about the Soviet SKS. The listing started at $0.01, and there was no BIN price.
 
17,000 sales. That's a lot. Doubtful the seller is an expert on every one of them.
Wonder how many of those sales were SKS carbines and of those how many were soviet.

There's nothing fraudulent in the listing or description. Just a very obvious lack of knowledge about the Soviet SKS. The listing started at $0.01, and there was no BIN price.
Factory finish on stock, Boris?
Without the cover serial impossible to tell for certain. The stock could easily be a post import replacement attempt to return the rifle to original configuration after a prior (ahem) "tactical upgrade".

But the original serial is still partially visible on the stock. Appears to be a PM prefix. The re-stamp serial has no prefix-- which has always struck me as a likely non-arsenal (i.e. importer/exporter handiwork). Agree 100% that the finish was done post import.


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Seller say factory finish.

Would you like to admit you are wrong about the 100% post import finish?

Do you think the seller can't tell the difference between original, factory, and post import finish?
 
Factory finish on stock, Boris?


Seller say factory finish.

Would you like to admit you are wrong about the 100% post import finish?

Do you think the seller can't tell the difference between original, factory, and post import finish?
There's no conspiracy here either.

The seller very clearly demonstrates their ignorance regarding the Soviet SKS.

It's pretty obvious to most that the seller has no idea that the Soviets used VK-1 lacquer on the soviet sks stocks.
 
@IanN

Seller also claims 1955 is the last year of Soviet production. From which he concludes that 1953 is the Penultimate year of production.

Are these claims made out of fraudulent intention?

Or is it more likely they are made out of ignorance of SKS historical facts, and a very obvious ignorance of the definition of the word penultimate.

Apparently you missed the penultimate claim. So, should we all take that to mean that you didn't catch it either because you are equally ignorant of the definition of that word?

:unsure::poop:

I know where I would lay my wager....
 
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What's the point of arguing about who's fault it is? It's all on the buyer, here and always. Why would you trust the seller anyway? Imply an old Soviet approach to things, "guilty until proven innocent", not the other way around. Seller is there to make money on your arss, and the part of not getting ripped off is entirely up to you.
 
What's the point of arguing about who's fault it is? It's all on the buyer, here and always. Why would you trust the seller anyway? Imply an old Soviet approach to things, "guilty until proven innocent", not the other way around. Seller is there to make money on your arss, and the part of not getting ripped off is entirely up to you.
IanN is mad at me for a debate on a different forum about a totally different OT subject. The mods sidelined him temporarily so he's taking it out here.
 
What's the point of arguing about who's fault it is? It's all on the buyer, here and always. Why would you trust the seller anyway? Imply an old Soviet approach to things, "guilty until proven innocent", not the other way around. Seller is there to make money on your arss, and the part of not getting ripped off is entirely up to you.
Mostly agree. Though in this case, the seller knew enough to say 'factory finish' and not 'original finish' when talking about the the stock. Seller did not use that terminology when talking about metal finish. Boris said it's not factory finish which means the seller misrepresented the product. In the end, the buyer thought he was getting a factory finish.
 
@IanN

Seller also claims 1955 is the last year of Soviet production. From which he concludes that 1953 is the Penultimate year of production.

Are these claims made out of fraudulent intention?

Or is it more likely they are made out of ignorance of SKS historical facts, and a very obvious ignorance of the definition of the word penultimate.

Apparently you missed the penultimate claim. So, should we all take that to mean that you didn't catch it either because you are equally ignorant of the definition of that word?

:unsure::poop:

I know where I would lay my wager....
You will be surprised to find out, some people pretend to be ignorant when misrepresenting an item listed for sale. While intelligent people can see right through these silly attempts, ignorant people are tricked into thinking the seller with 17000 transactions on gun broker alone is dumb and didn't know any better.

There are really ignorant people who go years swearing they know how to date Chinese SKS rifles by the serial number but then learn it's only arsenal 26 rifles. And then they learn that dating arsenal 26 by the serial doesn't always work. It's been fun watching you put your foot in your mouth since early calguns days.
 
There's no conspiracy here either.

The seller very clearly demonstrates their ignorance regarding the Soviet SKS.

It's pretty obvious to most that the seller has no idea that the Soviets used VK-1 lacquer on the soviet sks stocks.
Do you think the seller knew the rifle stock was refinished and that's why he did not say original finish?
 
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