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Hi there. I recently ended up with a Charter Arms Bulldog chambered in .44 Special (5 shot revolver). Beyond knowing that it once belonged to my uncle, and that he had it for many years, I really don't know anything about it. I was barely aware that there was even such a thing as a .44 Special.

This one is serial number 795869 and has "CHARTER ARMS CORP., STRATFORD, CONN." on the right side of the barrel, and "BULLDOG .44 SPL" on the left side.

It appears to be (maybe) nickel plated and has decently comfortable plastic(?) grips. The cylinder locks up tight and the hammer and trigger are pretty smooth in both single action and double action.

Oddly enough, I found some ammunition locally at what I thought was a reasonable price ($40/box of 50). I don't plan to shoot it too much, but I would like to give it a whirl. By coincidence, I've also got a Taurus Tracker in .44 Magnum and it had a couple of speed loaders with it when I bought it. I noticed that their part number is CA44 (Charter Arms 44, maybe?).

Anyway, I would welcome any thoughts and comments about what I've got here. Any idea of a value? I've had trouble finding information because apparently Charter Arms has been through many iterations as a company and the Bulldog name has been used early and often throughout its history, including current manufacturing.

Thanks and take care.
 

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The Taurus speed loaders will not be compatible, and those grips are Pachmayr Signature Grips that are pretty well worn. The original grips were wood. Your uncle's old pistol looks to be in pretty good condition otherwise. Just a couple of spots on the trigger guard. You have to be careful what products you use to clean a nickel plated gun because some can get under the plating and lift it causing it to flake off. Can't remember off the top of my head which, but someone else will know.
 
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The very first Charter Arms Corporation production began in 1964 in BRIDGEPORT CONN - earliest pieces - mostly Undercover model will have either NO address on the right side of the barrel or will have BRIDGEPORT.

Around 1970, address was changed to STRATFORD CONN - all pieces made after mid 1970 will be marked with that address on the right side of the barrel and all will have CHARTER ARMS CORP. as the first line. Around 1991, Charter Arms Corp. ceased operations. This was the end of the FIRST GENERATION.

Around early 1992, the company was re-organized under new leadership and became known as Charter Arms Company - CHARCO, and was located in ANSONIA CONN. All second generation pieces will be marked on the right side of the barrel with that name and address in two lines. This is the SECOND generation and apparently the period which caused the most damage to the Charter name and reputation.

In 2000, the company was again reorganized as CHARTER 2000 and relocated to SHELTON CONN. All pieces made during this THIRD generation will be marked with the SHELTON address. Early production of this generation seems to have been spotty and reputation still lagged.

About a year and a half ago, the company re-reorganized under the direction of MKS Marketing and seems now to be if not flourishing at least it is progressing in quality and market share.
From the limited data set that I have been able to assemble so far the following serialization seems to be valid: (NOTE: model name and caliber will be stamped on left side of barrel on all pieces)

The earliest 1st Gen - ~0 to ~19,000 have NO barrel ADDRESS and s/n is on lower right corner on right side of frame. CA company founded in 1964, first production pieces of the Undercover model produced in 1965
Bridgeport CONN address - ~19000 to ~315,000 1967 - 1973
Stratford CONN address - ~316000 to ~1,090,000 1974 - ~1991
All marked as Charter Arms Corporation

2nd Generation - CHARCO, Ansonia Conn adress - 1,090,000 to ??? ~1991 - 1999

3rd Generation - CHARTER 2000 - Shelton Conn - 0 to where ever they are today.

I know for a fact that CA serial number 500,000 was reached on Sept. 30th 1979.

I purchased my blue 3" Bulldog .44Spl in early 1980, NIB serial number 713xxx.
As I recall, I had a difficult time obtaining one because at the time the Charter Arms Bulldog .44Spl was in high demand by the LE community for use as a BUG. I ended up ordering mine from a local gun shop and waiting about a month for it to show up. I would place the manufacture date somewhere between November, 1979 - January, 1980. Hopefully this info will shed some light on where they were Serial Number wise back in the late 1979 to early 1980 time frame.

An older one. Has the Bridgeport address. Serial 241XXX



From the 26 pieces in my collection (all 1st Gen) and from dozens more that I've had the opportunity to observed and fondle, I'd say that around s/n 600,000 the finish was made a lot finer - although the integrals (lock work, action) was at least as good as the earlier ones. I have or have read magazine articles that cover pretty much of the production life of the 1st Generation, and during that period (around late 1980, early 1981) it seems that CA attempted to capture more of the market by doing so, also in April of 1981, they introduced Stainless Steel revolvers into the mix, for the first time.

First Generation Charter Arms revolvers: will have Bridgeport or Stratford CONN. barrel addresses, s/n under 1,100,000 - are no worse and in many cases better than most revolvers built between 1966 and 1991 (the era of production of the 1st Gen.) The designer and founder, Doug McClennahan worked as a design engineer for Colt, High Standard and Ruger before he went out and founded Charter Arms - hence many of the features and strengths found in those three highly respected firearms are found in the 1st Gen. CA revolvers. The frames, barrels and cylinder are chrome-moly steel for blued pieces and 400 series for the Stainless steel verision - all blued models had an aircraft grade, anodized aluminum, machined grip frame, the stainless models have a stainless steel grip frame. All models have 8 groove rifling (vs. 6 for S&W, Colt and Ruger), coil main spring, beryllium-copper spring mounted unbreakable firing pins, patented safety transfer bar ignition (copied by Ruger),

Some of the articles lamented that the earlier pieces, although rough finish, were rather inexpensive (~60-65% of S&W) and when CA began their "modernization" process, the finishes got better but the prices increased to about 85 to 90% of the S&W line for comparable models.

During the 2nd Generation, the CHARCO (Charter Arms COMPANY), under new management and reorganized, the quality was definitely more spotty and haphazard. I've seen CHARCO produced guns with Stratford marked barrels, obviously using up old stock.

The earliest CHARTER 2000 pieces I had the opportunity to handle (some fairly early 4 digits s/ns - were uniformly, poorly fitted and finished and had some horrendous and gritty actions. That seems to have been rectified under MKS's (circa 2008) new leadership and the most recent pieces I've handled - s/n's in the high 100,000 range have been "decent" but not as fine in finish and action as the mid years of the 1st Generation.
 
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In 2008 I bought a Charter Arms DAO in .44 Special because I thought it would be a good carry gun and I like the .44 Special round. This model had the bobbed or concealed hammer, stainless matte frame, and I bought it new.

What bothered me is that the hammer would fall at the very extreme end of the trigger pull - with maybe 1mm of travel left. I often thought it wasn’t going to fire at all. Not confidence inspiring.

In 2009 I bought another new Charter Arms in .44 Special - the regular Bulldog Pug that can be shot either double or single action. Beautiful looking gun. Stainless matte. At the range however, I had problems: after about 30 rounds (Remington factory) I noticed it was becoming harder to pull the hammer back (I like to shoot single-action) and the cylinder started to drag. By round 55, the hammer could not be pulled back and the cylinder would not turn. There seemed to be just the normal fouling around the front of the cylinder. Taking it home, cleaning it, it was ok again. I have no idea what kind of metal they were using where mild fouling would jam the cylinder. I’ve not encountered that with any revolver in 35+ years - and I shoot big bore handgun silhouette matches.

With 75 rounds through the first one and 55 through the second, I sold both of them back to the same shop I bought them from, at less than 1/4 the price I paid. After owning them for less than a year, I just didn’t want to deal with them any longer.
 
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bought another new black coat. 44 Special
sold the stainless..wasn’t right on point of aim..
hollow points printed low left 7 o'clock hollow points
. Shelton on barrel.
wad cutters would print to point of aim?
the newest one not enough range time?<><:cool:
 
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Thanks for all of the responses.

As far as Stainless Steel or Nickel, I really don't know which it is or how to tell. Maybe it is stainless - any good way to tell.

And the speed loaders that I have for the Taurus Tracker work just fine with the Bulldog. They're both 5 shot revolvers and the loaders fit each one quite well. I had the Taurus first and it wasn't until after I got the Charter Arms that I noticed the part number on the speedloader was CA44 (I was wondering it that was for Charter Arms 44).

This is the model that I have (link is in the Taurus online store).


I'll probably take it out the next time the weather is decent and see how it shoots.

Once again, I really appreciate the information and links - I've got some reading to do!

Good luck and take care.
 
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Back in the late 1970's when I was a uniformed police officer Charter Arms made an inexpensive "backup" gun many of us carried. The .38 was most popular and the .44 was a close second. I had both. I did not keep the .44 because of the kick. I couldn't hit shit with it so it was a challenge to qualify with it. The guns were made in blue and in stainless. And then AMT came out with a concealable .380 and we all switched to that.
 
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Have 3 Bulldogs, 2 with 3 inch barrels, and one 4 inch target Bulldog. All are Bridgeport marked. The Target isn't the best, action is fairly rough, but shootable. Picked up the second 3 incher at a gunshow, price was too good to walk away from. Bulldogs are still pretty popular today, I sell a fair number of holsters for them. I also make speedloader blocks, and the blocks for the HKS CA-44 sell as well. As mentioned above, the HKS CA-44 was originally designed for the Bulldog.
 
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Once more, thanks for all of the responses. So here's the things I've learned and the questions that I have left...

Based on my serial number and barrel markings, it looks like mine is a 1st Generation Stratford, Conn. model. Also, based on those markings and that serial number run, and making the assumption that yearly production was constant between 1970 and 1991, that would put mine at around a 1983 production year. Now I'm sure their production wasn't that steady, but I think it's reasonable that this is probably an early-to-mid 1980's revolver.

I think we've concluded that it is stainless steel, which is better to me (as opposed to nickel plated).

Finally - do I understand that this revolver features a transfer bar that will not allow the gun to fire unless the trigger is pulled? Does that mean that it's as safe to carry fully loaded as any revolver of that style. As in, I don't need to carry it on an empty cylinder to ensure no chance of incidental discharge? If so, I would really like to used this as my carry gun on the farm while fencing and such, because along with the revolver, I inherited a fair amount of .44 special shot shells that I think might work well against slithering creatures that I encounter in the forests and creeks around here.

I really appreciate the expertise and guidance. Thanks again.

Good luck and take care.