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Dillon updates the XL650 to a XL750

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#1 ·
Dillon has changed the XL650 line for an updated priming and indexing system. The resulting reloader is now the XL750. They have stopped selling the XL650... Though parts will still be available.

There is no upgrade kit to go from a 650 to a 750.

Milprileb and I think the 650 priming system may be better than the 750 system. YMMV as well as experience with each unit.
 
#2 ·
THe 750 has a "linear" priming system like the 550 series. Evidently Dillon thinks that is superior to the system on the 650 presses or it would not introduce the 750 press and cease offering the 650 press. ALong with a improved index system, the 750 is an entirely new model of press.

Had my 650 since 2008 and thus in 11 years, am happy with it, see no need to chase the 750 and with Dillons life time warranty, I have zero concerns about parts .

The 650 is overkill , I was just fine with my 550 press.
 
#3 · (Edited)
I've heard of more problems with the 650 priming system than the 450/550 one.
The biggest problem with the 550 system is dirt from depriming falls into the primer slide & gets everywhere. Other than that it works fine.

I have added one of those extended, with roller bearing, slide plates though, its not essential, but because of the return spring being where it is the roller definitely helps with the "feel" of priming.
I've also replaced the pivot for the dump chute with a plain pin & stuck a couple of small magnets to the top right corner of the chute "flipper" (you can just see it under the shell plate on the silver-colored "flipper" top right corner). It makes the light flipper open fully faster. I also added the white "slider" to close the existing gap between the spent primer catcher top & the flange of the slide.

Because of that & because I like to clean primer pockets I deprime on an old single stage & clean pockets then go into the 550 & have had zero problems.
 
#4 ·
I must say this, the 650 is not...not the machine for your first reloading press. Now, that is long known amongst knowledgeable reloaders but sadly, I witnessed this first hand with a novice reloader who got a 650 and had a terrible time with the learning curve. The illusion of speed and a round every time you crank the press handle is seductive stuff to novices and can get them into a world of trouble ..and safety issues.
 
#6 ·
And yet a hell of a lot of the Blue Kool-Aide Drinkers,l when asked What Should I Buy by a noob handloader-wannabe, Right away whip out Buy Once Cry Once Get A Dillon (and usually the 650).

I myself NEVER recommend ANY progressive to a noob, ever.

I've had to help quite a few through that Learning Curve, and I do so happily, but they either bought it first, or they didn't listen to me.



When it comes to Primer Stack Explosions, the 650 seems to have the record, hands down, undisputed champion (but 'to be fair', there has to be many thousands of them out there in use).
 
#7 ·
Received the Sept. 2019 edition of Dillon's "Blue Press" yesterday.
It has a lot of info on the new XL750.
The XL650 has been discontinued.

Looks like the only big change was the primer feed system, from rotary to linear.
Basic MSRP is $649.95, and that does not include things like the case feeder, powder in case level sensor, and the roller handle.
Figure more than a grand for a complete set up in one caliber.
Except for the primer feed system, all accessories appear to be 650 stuff.
 
#8 ·
A buddy of mine summed it up perfectly IMO.
He'd been reloading with a single stage for a long time in several calibers.
I inherited an RL550 for a song & so passed my old RL450b on to him.
He came over to my place where the 450 was set up & we walked him through the process of setting it up & reloading on it. We started with a single case in the press rotating to each station & completing the reloading steps. Once he was comfortable with that we went to truly progressive reloading.
His comment was: "Its a whole new level of paying attention, multi-tasking & concentration"!
 
#10 ·
After a thirtyyear (67-97) learning curve on single stage presses, I went to a Dillon RL 1050, for commercial resizing and primer swaging, for brass re-sale( military) and Movie blank production. 1998.
Soon moved ( after visit to Michael Dillon 1999) with suggestions for a D.1000 size press to take at least .30/06...a year later, Bought my first Dillon Super 1050, direct, then several more once they arrived in Australia.
I regularly get servicing parts from DP...my RL has a new ram after 1,000,000 strokes, and one of my S models has a new cam
Shaft ( sheared) after about 800,000 rounds, only sizing and sequential reforming ( 7.9x33, etc) and Blank manufacture.

Definitely...an improved 750 would be worth looking at, for complete Blank manufacture from Factory new cases ( no pocket swaging to be done).

I prime separately ( RCBS Auto Prime).

But will wait till they (750) arrive at local distributor.

Doc AV.