Probably some of the regular mild steel core LPS projectiles that Wideners was/is selling. Lets see a pic of the "sectioned and rockwell hardness tested" core...

Sounds like a shyster looking for suckers...

$.50 each for projectiles from cartridges that are not even in most advanced cartridge collector's collections...sounds too good to be true.

Look at the holes in the steel plate. Obviously made by a ball projectile. AP holes look different. Jacket sheds and the core makes a smaller hole. Look at the real 7N13 holes in the link he mentions...

Glad no one made a bid.

D.D.

 

Lets see a pic of the "sectioned and rockwell hardness tested" core...

Did you see the one at http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125318589 ?

 

I saw that auction it looks just like Bulgarian LB projectiles. I quess trying to get his money back on a crap lot of ammo.

 

Ha Ha, what a load of BS. You can't saw-cut through an AP core. I want to see the CORE, the whole pointy in the front part and everything, not an LPS projectile cut in half!

D.D.

 

I love his hardness test....his "Armor Piercing" core tests SOFTER than the mild steel jacket on those bullets.

Those are Widners Pulled LPS bullets.....I have a pile of them myself!

 

I love his hardness test....his "Armor Piercing" core tests SOFTER than the mild steel jacket on those bullets.

I saw that. What would the hardness of a tungsten core be?

 

i was about to say that one day at the range someone left a quarter inch steel plate out there and my lead core was able to blast through it(1950's bulgy) and i noticed that mild steel core which so many uninformed people say is armor piercing can only penitrate slightly deeper steel than lead, but certainly not even not 1/2" steel which real ap ammo should. what a crock of an ad. BOO!

 

I'm not sure why people get so excited about buying AP bullets. If you are shooting steel plate than "ding" is all you need. It's not like someone would draw a target and watched groups printed on steel. Unless the price would be close to regular projectiles, I see no point of paying a top dollar for those.
This reminds me a situation when I go a bunch of sniper ammo . Paid top dollar for it , shot at 50 yard range and got results just like any other ammo.

 

I only buy it to resell...I think the armor peircing thing is all about the Endtime...I keep some for the collection but could never see a reason to shoot it ...just my thrifty side not wanting to use up something of value for nothing...never been attacked by a lightly armored vehicle at the range...I do admire the guys who are prepared for anything tho!!!

 

7N1 round according to 7.62x54r.net; a sniper round. Don't know about a 7N13...? The website link listed on the auction site does shed some light on the subject...
http://club.guns.ru/eng/barnaul.html

 

The 7N13 is a ball round with a hardened steel core. Not a true AP round but offers improved penatration capabitities. Mainly for body armor at distanse.

 

I know that copper is used in anti-tank loads and it's even softer than steel... there might be a lot we don't know about...

 

Copper in anti-tank rounds are used to kill the people inside the tank. The copper becomes molten and bounces around in side the tank.

 

You are absolutely correct.
My point is that it does go through the tank and we are debating on whether AP round should have harder or softer core. By using this example, I'm trying to point that the harder may not exactly be better . I'm no expert and I'm not trying to start an argument, just saying that the answer may not be as simple as : harder will penetrate better

 

My prom date had a way of changing the hardness of the projectile depending on the demand for penetration.

 

Sorry to hear you were having trouble at that young age.

I don't have a Rockwell hardness number for Prom Night myself.... Let's just say a Cat couldn't scratch it!