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Unusual Type 24/CKS

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#1 ·
I received the Type 24/Chiang-Kai Shek rifle that I bought. As far as I can tell, it’s a Jinling Arsenal “no date” production - it has the swastikas on the receiver. It’s non-matching (not a big surprise), but it’s in a P-series VZ.24 stock (which I knew when I bought it).

The bolt is unnumbered, but the key parts are marked with the “Z in circle”. It doesn’t look the serial number was removed…it just never had one.

Two “surprises”: on is that the trigger appears to be Turkish. It as a crescent on one side, and the Arabic numbers “688” on the other.

The second surprise was a crescent on the bottom of the front trunnion of the receiver. It clearly looks to be Chinese manufacturing…but that one crescent was a surprise.

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I can only find markings on the buttstock - no additional kanji on the wrist that might indicate Japanese capture. The P-serial number is solidly within the Chinese contract production. It has two stamps on the stock that I haven’t been able to definitively identify. I think this one says “Practice” or something similar:

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I’m guessing the other one is some kind of unit or location marking (based on what I’ve been able to track down) but I don’t know for sure:

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If anyone can translate them or point me toward a source, I’d appreciate it!

All in all, I think it’s a pretty cool example of a Type 24 that certainly has some history to it. For $250, im
 
#4 ·
I suppose it could be…although the way the lower end tapers and ends looks more deliberate. But I’m just speculating!

I got some other input on the stock stamps. The right side says “Practice” in simplified Chinese - which apparently came into use in 1951. So that would imply the gun was in Chinese hands then. I should have mentioned that there are no import marks at all on the gun!

The font in the right side is called xiaozhuan and it’s more “stylized/artistic”. It appears it might be a location.
 
#5 ·
The sear trigger part looks like added recently the rivet is there not corectly given, the P series buttstock would be interesting to see on serial? the bolt could be CS delivery, anyway normally bolts were serialed, should be present the handle of bolt.
 
#6 ·
The serial is P2401.

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The only number on the bolt is a “3” on the underside at the handle root. I looked under magnification and can’t see any sign of a number being ground off.

My guess on the trigger is that a more current owner replaced it for some reason - and the Turkish trigger is what they had available.
 
#8 ·
Fiddling about in Wiki and other places it seems the backwards swastika is a Pinyin Chinese character for wan, which one source translated as "10,000". Its meaning might be context dependent on the other characters there.
 
#9 ·
A cool piece shows how a bubba rifle being assembled from various parts. The receiver is from a No.21 Arsenal Model Zhongzheng, or Chiang Kai Shek rifle more familiar to collectors; the stock was from a China used or Chinese contract P series Vz.24; the trigger was from a Turkish Mauser; the bolt, according to your description, should be a Czech one.

All No.21 Arsenal was dated with year of manufacturing on top of the ring. Because the marking is too shallow so it's easily got worn out. I can tell you the year date by the serial number.

The two characters in rectangular shape are 操练 (Cao Lian) which means practice or drilling. It's applied by communists after 1949. The two characters in rounded rectangular shape are 治安 (Zhi An) in the ancient Seal font which can be translated to public security. This markings was applied on before 1949 to indicate the rifle was likely allocated to police or vigilance corp use.

Aaron
 
#10 ·
Not surprising parts have been replaced ......had one of these with the bolt sleeve made in a blacksmith shop ,very rough......I replaced it with a spare I had .......incidentally ,these guns are selling for real money now ,nice one for A$2000 recently.
 
#11 ·
The early P range was delivered to China 1938, so it could be refurbished there, the unknown stamped bolt should be have Z in circle on base of handle. and should be CS lion fireproofed.