Will the real Model 1935 please stand up?
Got an Argentine 1935 last week in the real correct configuration. Good news is the bolt and receiver match but the barrel and upper hand guard do not.
This has been a point of interest for me for a while after I started collecting Argentine rifles and read Webster's fantastic Argentine Mausers book. The section on the 1935 model piqued my interest when I read it, I had never seen one as he described (basically a Belgian 1935) online or had heard of anything like it. Digging deeper over time I came across this decade old thread: Argentine Model 1935 Police Carbine - Webster, pages 226-228
One major point of contention on Webster's supposed 1935 example is the inclusion of German crown over BUGN proofs, and as to why they would be on a gun made in Belgium, and why such a large contract as reported by Webster would have virtually no surviving models exported, photographed, or better documented. Many on Gunboards have speculated that the gun in Webster's book was put together as a Belgian 1935 or was some kind of sample rifle.
The truth as seen by the thread above seems to be that these rifles were partly ordered as similar rifles to the Standard Modell and as replacement actions. These seem to have been put into police use and almost exactly match the Buenos Aires 1933 pattern guns. John Wall had an example of a 1935 marked for the Buenos Aires police in the above thread, I had failed to find ANY other 1935 in original shape since. Several 1935 actions thrown into 1909 furniture yes, but complete guns no. I then found the below at Centerfire's fabulous garbage sale:
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I planned on turning this into a shootable gun, but a large bulge in the receiver ring and a literal sewer pipe bore convinced me otherwise. Gun is serial 17 and the barrel matches the receiver. However, compared next to my Buenos Aires 1933, it is the exact same length and size:
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Then two months ago after dropping this subject for a while, a rather infamous auction house known on this forum for hilariously bad descriptions and pictures (and very VERY rare Mausers) posted a new catalog. Including a 1935 Argentine in original configuration. I jumped on it.
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Receiver and bolt are both 3149. Interesting considering Wall's example was 1233. Mine has a mismatch barrel and hand guard. This is likely a rebuild with actions provided as part of the contract in the thread linked above, or even one of the actions with correct clip guides per the replacement order. Bore on the gun is still shootable and despite the plum coloration the gun is in ok shape. Has a decent spot of pitting further up on the barrel but it doesn't create any safety problems. Only negative is the front barrel band screw is stripped and I have not gotten it all the way out to compare the markings on the barrel to the ones photographed by John Wall (which my #17 barreled action has)
I'd love to hear everyones thoughts on the mismatched parts and likelihood of it being part of the replacement run, or if anyone has another one of these hiding around. Well pictures ones seem to be this one and John Wall's. I can take more pictures on request, these are mostly quick and dirty.
Got an Argentine 1935 last week in the real correct configuration. Good news is the bolt and receiver match but the barrel and upper hand guard do not.
This has been a point of interest for me for a while after I started collecting Argentine rifles and read Webster's fantastic Argentine Mausers book. The section on the 1935 model piqued my interest when I read it, I had never seen one as he described (basically a Belgian 1935) online or had heard of anything like it. Digging deeper over time I came across this decade old thread: Argentine Model 1935 Police Carbine - Webster, pages 226-228
One major point of contention on Webster's supposed 1935 example is the inclusion of German crown over BUGN proofs, and as to why they would be on a gun made in Belgium, and why such a large contract as reported by Webster would have virtually no surviving models exported, photographed, or better documented. Many on Gunboards have speculated that the gun in Webster's book was put together as a Belgian 1935 or was some kind of sample rifle.
The truth as seen by the thread above seems to be that these rifles were partly ordered as similar rifles to the Standard Modell and as replacement actions. These seem to have been put into police use and almost exactly match the Buenos Aires 1933 pattern guns. John Wall had an example of a 1935 marked for the Buenos Aires police in the above thread, I had failed to find ANY other 1935 in original shape since. Several 1935 actions thrown into 1909 furniture yes, but complete guns no. I then found the below at Centerfire's fabulous garbage sale:
I planned on turning this into a shootable gun, but a large bulge in the receiver ring and a literal sewer pipe bore convinced me otherwise. Gun is serial 17 and the barrel matches the receiver. However, compared next to my Buenos Aires 1933, it is the exact same length and size:
Then two months ago after dropping this subject for a while, a rather infamous auction house known on this forum for hilariously bad descriptions and pictures (and very VERY rare Mausers) posted a new catalog. Including a 1935 Argentine in original configuration. I jumped on it.
Receiver and bolt are both 3149. Interesting considering Wall's example was 1233. Mine has a mismatch barrel and hand guard. This is likely a rebuild with actions provided as part of the contract in the thread linked above, or even one of the actions with correct clip guides per the replacement order. Bore on the gun is still shootable and despite the plum coloration the gun is in ok shape. Has a decent spot of pitting further up on the barrel but it doesn't create any safety problems. Only negative is the front barrel band screw is stripped and I have not gotten it all the way out to compare the markings on the barrel to the ones photographed by John Wall (which my #17 barreled action has)
I'd love to hear everyones thoughts on the mismatched parts and likelihood of it being part of the replacement run, or if anyone has another one of these hiding around. Well pictures ones seem to be this one and John Wall's. I can take more pictures on request, these are mostly quick and dirty.
