heavy refurb on the stock. Alot of a money for a refurbished sks

 

Nope.

Someone got duped into paying 3x to 4x the value for a metal matching refurb in a replacement stock


Nice pictures. Though.

 

... No photo of the cover serial.

Might not even be a 1953 carbine. Given the rifle's features, it could also be late 1952 or early 1954 production.

 

I don't think it's even a true refurb, that shellac looks like a Bubba's weekend project more so than a Soviet arsenal job.

 

Without the cover serial impossible to tell for certain. The stock could easily be a post import replacement attempt to return the rifle to original configuration after a prior (ahem) "tactical upgrade".

But the original serial is still partially visible on the stock. Appears to be a PM prefix. The re-stamp serial has no prefix-- which has always struck me as a likely non-arsenal (i.e. importer/exporter handiwork). Agree 100% that the finish was done post import.

 

yep someone paid 4x-5x the price of a refurbished - possibly in states refinished stock.

 

There doesn't seem a good reason for this other than either ignorance or scamming...

 

After reading the seller's description, I'll put my wager down on ignorance.

"Tula produced SKS rifles only between 1949 and 1955, making any correct, matching-number example increasingly scarce. The 1953 production date places this rifle in the penultimate year of manufacture, identifiable by the clear “1953 r” stamp below the arsenal crest.

 

Having sold things for several years on bidding sites, presentation and NICE photos work wonders for selling items above value.

Seller did a great job with the cinematic photos, and has pleasure of a very wide audience.

It tends to attract people with more wallet then brains.

 

It truly amazes me how with easily obtainable information some people still fall for this type of overly exiting and often bogus descriptions. I mean with all the fees, shipping and taxes we are looking at 2K plus for this thing. I don't keep up with the Soviet SKSs, but I think you can still get a nice non-refurbed carbine for about half of that, am I wrong?

 

Good grief, that stock set looks like it spent the night in a vat of yacht varnish.

 

So, what is the current value of an honest Soviet SKS?

 

I dunno, but SKS prices in general seem to be on a down trend. I, personally, much prefer a Chinese with spike bayonet over any Soviet with a blade, but even this one looks better than the Bubba special.... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1123011753

 

Well it is stamped with a star lol

 

A nice 1953 Russian SKS with its original box sold for $758 Sept 21 on GB. Its price was reasonable.

 

Do you have a link?

 

Yeah, that stock isn't original. Below is a pic of what Soviet hardwood SKS stocks are supposed to look like. It's a older lower rez pic, I need to take some more up to date higher rez pics.

 

I saw that one and was wondering the same thing, two low rating bidders fighting it out? Would they pay, who knows.

 

Probably not if they come across this thread.... I wouldn't pay more than $250 for that thing.

 

Well we know where and how to list!

 

Wow..... Thanks for posting.......

What did PT Barnum used to say??

The stock looks like Bubba vomited a Gallon of Spar Varnish on it.......

 

Recently noticed a number of SKSs at two LGSs. One had about six and the other two or three. Nothing special except a 54 Izzy in very nice condition for $450. Unfortunately, that one had been tacticooled with black plastic stock/handguard, some POS 30 rd. mag assembly and no bayonet. Probably still a deal if one wanted a $1,500. SKS had it not been ruined. Other SKSs in the rack were much more expensive, so don' think the shop owner had any idea...

 

yep I agree seller was honest evaluation no puffery detected.

 

Boris says the stock finish was applied post import.

Seller says factory finish.

Who is wrong?

 

17,000 sales. That's a lot. Doubtful the seller is an expert on every one of them.
Wonder how many of those sales were SKS carbines and of those how many were soviet.

There's nothing fraudulent in the listing or description. Just a very obvious lack of knowledge about the Soviet SKS. The listing started at $0.01, and there was no BIN price.

Factory finish on stock, Boris?

Without the cover serial impossible to tell for certain. The stock could easily be a post import replacement attempt to return the rifle to original configuration after a prior (ahem) "tactical upgrade".

But the original serial is still partially visible on the stock. Appears to be a PM prefix. The re-stamp serial has no prefix-- which has always struck me as a likely non-arsenal (i.e. importer/exporter handiwork). Agree 100% that the finish was done post import.


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Seller say factory finish.

Would you like to admit you are wrong about the 100% post import finish?

Do you think the seller can't tell the difference between original, factory, and post import finish?

 

Factory finish on stock, Boris?


Seller say factory finish.

Would you like to admit you are wrong about the 100% post import finish?

Do you think the seller can't tell the difference between original, factory, and post import finish?

There's no conspiracy here either.

The seller very clearly demonstrates their ignorance regarding the Soviet SKS.

It's pretty obvious to most that the seller has no idea that the Soviets used VK-1 lacquer on the soviet sks stocks.

 

@IanN

Seller also claims 1955 is the last year of Soviet production. From which he concludes that 1953 is the Penultimate year of production.

Are these claims made out of fraudulent intention?

Or is it more likely they are made out of ignorance of SKS historical facts, and a very obvious ignorance of the definition of the word penultimate.

Apparently you missed the penultimate claim. So, should we all take that to mean that you didn't catch it either because you are equally ignorant of the definition of that word?



I know where I would lay my wager....

 

You will be surprised to find out, some people pretend to be ignorant when misrepresenting an item listed for sale. While intelligent people can see right through these silly attempts, ignorant people are tricked into thinking the seller with 17000 transactions on gun broker alone is dumb and didn't know any better.

There are really ignorant people who go years swearing they know how to date Chinese SKS rifles by the serial number but then learn it's only arsenal 26 rifles. And then they learn that dating arsenal 26 by the serial doesn't always work. It's been fun watching you put your foot in your mouth since early calguns days.

 

What's the point of arguing about who's fault it is? It's all on the buyer, here and always. Why would you trust the seller anyway? Imply an old Soviet approach to things, "guilty until proven innocent", not the other way around. Seller is there to make money on your arss, and the part of not getting ripped off is entirely up to you.

 

IanN is mad at me for a debate on a different forum about a totally different OT subject. The mods sidelined him temporarily so he's taking it out here.

 

Here's what I see:

• $0.01 starting bid
• No minimum
• No BIN
• Historical and factual ignorance regarding the Soviet sks
• Literally ignorant about the meaning of "penultimate"
• 17,000 sales and an A+ rating

No second shooter here either. And I see no connections to Israel.

Just a successfully endeavoring capitalist with a well established A+ reputation with nearly seventeen thousand satisfied customers. And for $2,000 ... one sucker. Possibly two.

 

You aren't looking at all the information. Don't be ignorant of the facts available.

Experienced seller said factory finish.
You said the finish was applied post import. One of you is wrong.

At the very least you must admit the rifle was misrepresented.

It has to be 2 suckers not one, otherwise you are implying shill bidding.

Maybe you will expand on why you brought up Israel.

 

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I can't believe im even typing this but life is what it is... Looks like I must part with the pride of my collection... In my opinion, its the nicest Tula in existence...

Honestly, this rifle is beyond "market value" meaning i don't care what current value is, anyone deserving of this piece of history understands the significance and doesn't mind paying what im asking...

I know i should make a WTS ad in marketplace but I haven't been able to bring myself to do it... I'm on a whem, posting this just to get you guys feedback on it... Is this fair/reasonable price for what this is? If anyone serious about getting it, PM me and we'll talk further...

1954 Tula SKS
KBI import, non refurbished, unfired
Complete w/original box and accessories
Golden bayo and nicest stock you'll ever see... I'm gonna ask $2k, not taking penny less...
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What a nice original Russian, and the golden bayonet too!

 

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