[lthilsdorf]

It is downright stupid and a waste of money to pay for transfers if you have a C&R License. There is zero benefit to doing so.

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Thank you. I think this point became a little lost in the conversation. The whole point is it's silly to not care about the FFL fee when you already have a license that is federally recognized and issued, that allows you to get these rifles delivered to your door.

 

[Critog]

I have both 01 and 03 FFLs. It is not my obligation to "verify" whether someone else's FFL is legitimate; I am not an inspector or special agent. If I have no reason to believe it is not legitimate, I proceed -- as instructed -- plain and simple. If the item is 03 FFL applicable, it goes to an 03. All I need in receiving an item is name / FFL or name / address for unlicensed persons -- plain and simple. People want to overcomplicate things and "cover their ass" when there is no statutory obligation to do anything other than the reasonable requirements of the code of federal regulations. It's the same people who complain about being overpoliced who police themselves.

 

[Arik]

I have both 01 and 03 FFLs. It is not my obligation to "verify" whether someone else's FFL is legitimate; I am not an inspector or special agent. If I have no reason to believe it is not legitimate, I proceed -- as instructed -- plain and simple. If the item is 03 FFL applicable, it goes to an 03. All I need in receiving an item is name / FFL or name / address for unlicensed persons -- plain and simple. People want to overcomplicate things and "cover their ass" when there is no statutory obligation to do anything other than the reasonable requirements of the code of federal regulations. It's the same people who complain about being overpoliced who police themselves.

Never complained about police. I police myself because I don't know you, your intentions nor do I trust you. And I want to make sure my ass is covered 10,000%

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[azPrimeLand]

I have both 01 and 03 FFLs. It is not my obligation to "verify" whether someone else's FFL is legitimate; I am not an inspector or special agent. If I have no reason to believe it is not legitimate, I proceed -- as instructed -- plain and simple. If the item is 03 FFL applicable, it goes to an 03. All I need in receiving an item is name / FFL or name / address for unlicensed persons -- plain and simple. People want to overcomplicate things and "cover their ass" when there is no statutory obligation to do anything other than the reasonable requirements of the code of federal regulations. It's the same people who complain about being overpoliced who police themselves.

Thank You Sir
This is correct and logical

 

[Arik]

Thank You Sir
This is correct and logical

Correct and logical.

NJ retired teacher is pulled over and found to have a 400 year old handgun in his glove box. Police know it's not considered a firearm and don't make a big deal of it. District attorney hears about it and has the man arrested and charged. He is eventually found not guilty but only after a year, a trial, lots of stress and money spent on a lawyer.

Correct and logical

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[azPrimeLand]

Never complained about police. I police myself because I don't know you, your intentions nor do I trust you. And I want to make sure my ass is covered 10,000%

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Why would anyone even bother being a dealer?
Can be sued for selling a gun that someone "transferred" through the store and used in a crime
A gun malfunctioning that sold could result in a death to which you are liable
Person walks into the shop kills 12 people - sued for lack of security provided by said dealer
On and on...…………..

22,000 gun laws on the ATF books already but let's add another few non-legal for good measure?

Since you want to cover your a** with 10,000% - logically dealer logically close the shop
THAT would cover your A** 10,000% no risk here when one sits with head in sand in total paranoia

As offered, I will buy elsewhere, I will spend elsewhere
Since customers are a dime a dozen, FYI - dealers are dime a dozen also & with plenty run a business serving others not creating excuses to isolate legal law- abiding US Citizens from a law-abiding legal purchase

Personally, I will never, ever deal with a dealer scared of a non-issue that can not state any ATF rule or law supporting how they can get into an issue taking a Federally Licensed 03FFL into their shop

I/we are still waiting for this ATF or Federal law/rule that will get your 10,000% covering your A** into any type or form of legal issue by taking an 03FFL, writing in your bound book for a transaction

CRITOG said it right, he said it true & has got it right

 

[azPrimeLand]

Correct and logical.

NJ retired teacher is pulled over and found to have a 400 year old handgun in his glove box. Police know it's not considered a firearm and don't make a big deal of it. District attorney hears about it and has the man arrested and charged. He is eventually found not guilty but only after a year, a trial, lots of stress and money spent on a lawyer.

Correct and logical

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Not even close to the same issue
Anyone can be charged with a crime

A good lawyer will sue for false arrest & get all monies paid BACK

If one is paranoid over issued like this then sitting in a cave may be best

I walk into your shop, state YOU pointed a gun at me as I was attempting to leave
I sue for false imprisonment & illegal detainment - YOU have to defend your self in court
Better to close the shop? avoid the risk?

 

[Arik]

Why would anyone even bother being a dealer?
Can be sued for selling a gun that someone "transferred" through the store and used in a crime
A gun malfunctioning that sold could result in a death to which you are liable
Person walks into the shop kills 12 people - sued for lack of security provided by said dealer
On and on...…………..

22,000 gun laws on the ATF books already but let's add another few non-legal for good measure?

Since you want to cover your a** with 10,000% - logically dealer logically close the shop
THAT would cover your A** 10,000% no risk here when one sits with head in sand in total paranoia

As offered, I will buy elsewhere, I will spend elsewhere
Since customers are a dime a dozen, FYI - dealers are dime a dozen also & with plenty run a business serving others not creating excuses to isolate legal law- abiding US Citizens from a law-abiding legal purchase

Personally, I will never, ever deal with a dealer scared of a non-issue that can not state any ATF rule or law supporting how they can get into an issue taking a Federally Licensed 03FFL into their shop

I/we are still waiting for this ATF or Federal law/rule that will get your 10,000% covering your A** into any type or form of legal issue by taking an 03FFL, writing in your bound book for a transaction

CRITOG said it right, he said it true & has got it right

I don't own a shop. Never implied that I did I want my stuff to go through one. It sold through the dealer, by the dealer and all on his ass if he does something wrong. The dealer has the legal right to take the gun from me and give to someone else

I'm covered.

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[Arik]

Not even close to the same issue
Anyone can be charged with a crime

If one is paranoid over issued like this then sitting in a cave may be best
I walk into your shop, state YOU pointed a gun at me as I was attempting to leave
I sue for false imprisonment & illegal detainment - YOU have to defend your self in court
Better to close the sop? avoid the risk?

Cameras! Every gun store I've ever walked into has cameras.

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[azPrimeLand]

Yes, Sir - didn't mean to imply you had a shop
Was using the example of a dealer/shop for ease of writing

 

[azPrimeLand]

Cameras! Every gun store I've ever walked into has cameras.

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Cameras will clear the shop eventually, BUT not after having to defend themselves in court as in the NJ 400 yr old firearm ILLEGAL arrest case

Time to move on - this has nothing to do with the OP insane Seller

 

[Arik]

Cameras will clear the shop eventually, BUT not after having to defend themselves in court as in the NJ 400 yr old firearm ILLEGAL arrest case

Time to move on - this has nothing to do with the OP insane Seller

Not how that works. What lawyer is going to proceed with a trial with the tape as evidence? It may cost some lawyer fees but having the tape is 100% no worries

And let not forget that it turns out that you lied, filed a false police report, and slandered my reputation. In which case I'll see you for my fees plus compensation. Along with the criminal offense of filing a false police report

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[SfcRet]

Time to move on - this has nothing to do with the OP insane Seller

it's his firearm, so what if he want 25 bucks for more pictures and will only ship to a 01FFL? really, what is your beef or for that matter anyone beef about it? if you don't like his terms, then here is a very simple solution, don't ask for more pictures or buy it. just go onto the next seller of a M-N rifle, which if I'm not mistaken there should be more of those guys on that auction site.

wow, isn't that a more simpler solution then filling up 3 pages of WHAAAAAAAAAA, WHAAAAAAAAAAA, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA? :laugh:

 

[martin08]

Those are just secret meetings with the "russians" I like to host in my house once in a while ))

KGB, not FBI? Good, you are back on the "Will Sell" list.

 

[Guest]

Correct and logical.

NJ retired teacher is pulled over and found to have a 400 year old handgun in his glove box. Police know it's not considered a firearm and don't make a big deal of it. District attorney hears about it and has the man arrested and charged. He is eventually found not guilty but only after a year, a trial, lots of stress and money spent on a lawyer.

Correct and logical

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Actually that is not correct. In NJ a Flintlock Pistol is treated the same as a Glock.

The police made the arrest on the spot.

He was not found not guilty, but prosecutorial discretion came into play and charges were dropped.

Also the pro 2A sites like to leave out the fact he was trying to buy Heroin with one of his ex students.

Regardless it has nothing to do with legally buying or selling a firearm to FFL03, but you did get the story completely wrong.

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[Arik]

Actually that is not correct. In NJ a Flintlock Pistol is treated the same as a Glock.

The police made the arrest on the spot.

He was not found not guilty, but prosecutorial discretion came into play and charges were dropped.

Also the pro 2A sites like to leave out the fact he was trying to buy Heroin with one of his ex students.

Regardless it has nothing to do with legally buying or selling a firearm to FFL03, but you did get the story completely wrong.

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Read it in the news, not on a forum. Nothing there about heroin

Nothing about drugs. And it's is an antique and not considered a firearm by federal law
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...rime/nj-man-won-charged-possessing-antique-gun-article-1.2130397?outputType=amp



https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...us/2015/02/18/flintlock-from-1700s-could-land-elderly-nj-man-in-prison.amp.html


“One of the undersheriffs said, ‘Well, let him go, it’s 250 years old,’" Van Gilder said. "But his boss, who is the sheriff, said, ‘No, we have to arrest him.’ Next morning, I am sleeping and hear pounding on the door, and four of them came and took me away with three or four sheriff’s cars -- I guess they didn’t have anything better to do with taxpayer money.”

 

[Pointyears]

To think not wanting to waste $25-50 on a FFL transfer is foolish and being cheap; is a ridiculous thought process.

My mother always told me watch your pennies and your dollars will take care of themselves.


So yes I will try and save any transfer fee if I legally can. Buy 50 firearms a year, which isn't hard to do, and $40 transfer fees now add up to $2,000. For $2,000 I can get a damn nice matching Mauser. All one needs to do is have a C&R and stop wasting their money paying a FFL01 for transfers.

Save $10 a day on a pack of cigarettes that is $3,650 a year. Two nice matching Mausers.

Save $5 a day on coffee and that's $1,825 for another matching Mauser.

However some people may want their coffee and cigarettes. Not many people will see the value in lighting money on fire, or paying an FFL01 for transfers when they can have the rifle sent to their house, while also saving on the gas and time going to the local gun shop.


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Exactly. You reaffirmed my “another Mosin” post (and also why I grind my own beans and don’t buy from Starbucks or its ilk).

 

[Pointyears]

Correct and logical.

NJ retired teacher is pulled over and found to have a 400 year old handgun in his glove box. Police know it's not considered a firearm and don't make a big deal of it. District attorney hears about it and has the man arrested and charged. He is eventually found not guilty but only after a year, a trial, lots of stress and money spent on a lawyer.

Correct and logical

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Correct, logical and totally irrelevant. He’d have been busted in NJ whether he got that via an 01, an 03, directly to his door, or face to face. The issue is the prosecutor called it a firearm when no one else did.

 

[Guest]

Read it in the news, not on a forum. Nothing there about heroin

Nothing about drugs. And it's is an antique and not considered a firearm by federal law
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...rime/nj-man-won-charged-possessing-antique-gun-article-1.2130397?outputType=amp



https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...us/2015/02/18/flintlock-from-1700s-could-land-elderly-nj-man-in-prison.amp.html


“One of the undersheriffs said, ‘Well, let him go, it’s 250 years old,’" Van Gilder said. "But his boss, who is the sheriff, said, ‘No, we have to arrest him.’ Next morning, I am sleeping and hear pounding on the door, and four of them came and took me away with three or four sheriff’s cars -- I guess they didn’t have anything better to do with taxpayer money.”

One I live in NJ.

Two Sheriffs do not make arrests in NJ.

Three in NJ Airguns, Flintlocks, Matchlocks, etc are all treated as handguns under NJ if they meet the definition of a handgun.

Fourth he was trying to buy Heroin with a former student. Do a little more research, and not from a site that states the Sheriff came to arrest him.

Lastly the prosecutor was the one who decided to drop charges not press charges.

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[Arik]

One I live in NJ.

Two Sheriffs do not make arrests in NJ.

Three in NJ Airguns, Flintlocks, Matchlocks, etc are all treated as handguns under NJ if they meet the definition of a handgun.

Fourth he was trying to buy Heroin with a former student. Do a little more research, and not from a site that states the Sheriff came to arrest him.

Lastly the prosecutor was the one who decided to drop charges not press charges.

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The site quoted him as saying "sheriff". It's a general term. He even said "undersheriff" instead of deputy. Again....I read it on the news. I have no reason to think he was looking for heroin. Do research into what? Why he was driving?
I could do that into infinity. He could be looking for prostitutes, being a prostitute, looking for ghosts, aliens, his long lost cousin, maybe he's Nazi hunting. How far do you typically research a an article where someone senior citizen was pulled over?

And even if he was trying to buy heroin he didn't so it doesn't count.

Yes I know NJ very well, live next door and spend half my time in Trenton, Newark, Jersey City, Elizabeth, Rahway, Bordentown, Pennsauken, North Brunswick...etc..



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