[Phosphorus32]

:laugh:

 

[Richard in NY*]

I was a Kengs distributor back in 'the day'. Sold a bunch of those pretty rifles! Keep any?

NOT A SINGLE ONE! :-(

Ammo:

I believe it’s generally accepted that the Chinese parade/honor guard rifles were specifically manufactured for the US commercial market but like many (if not most) “facts” concerning Chicom firearms there is a lot of speculation and little or no documentation supporting that conclusion. Please share whatever information you may have acquired during your relationship with Kengs.

Thanks.

 

[ammolab]

Ammo:

I believe it’s generally accepted that the Chinese parade/honor guard rifles were specifically manufactured for the US commercial market but like many (if not most) “facts” concerning Chicom firearms there is a lot of speculation and little or no documentation supporting that conclusion. Please share whatever information you may have acquired during your relationship with Kengs.

Thanks.

Sorry, never asked for any info on the "parade" SKS rifles.

 

[Richard in NY*]

Sorry, never asked for any info on the "parade" SKS rifles.

No problem! Thanks for responding.

 

[pwcosol]

Yup...816148X. The Arsenal 416 is 1803632X.

Know a fellow collector whom has two more of these: 815744X & 816070X

 

[martin08]

Know a fellow collector whom has two more of these: 815744X & 816070X

Thanks. They all seem to fall very close to each other.

Running man collects the data on these (and all other SKS), but needs pics if you can provide them.

 

[shotout]

The Public Security rifles were marketed as such in an October 10, 1988 advertisement in Shotgun News. I always thought these were figured out later to be these. Not so.

 

[pwcosol]

Too bad the Chinese did not decide to also stamp the top cover with the shield marking as seen on the front door of the car, too!

 

[martin08]

An emergency light bar would be nice, too.

 

[Boris Badinov]

...and air conditioning.

 

[13 Colony Patriot]

Martin
That has been in a time capsule somewhere!!!!.....BEAUTIFUL.....there is nothing like an SKS....my first milsurp addiction.....i know many say Ruskies over Chinese , but each are as valuable to me. I have some of both, and I admire my Chinese . To me, as durable and reliable as the other. I do believe that may be the prettiest I've seen. Man the bluing is rich and the wood is fine!
Ok I'll stop now.
Thanks for posting.

 

[JIMMY C]

Pretty close in SN to yours.

 

[martin08]

Yes, less than 3,000 units apart. Thanks for posting, JIMMY C.

The picture of your rear sling swivel shows better than my picture. Even the base of the swivel and tops of the screws were polished more finely on this run of Public Security guns than on other general production Jianshe Arsenal SKSs from the time frame.

We do see M21 guns from the era which are just as nicely finished, as well. It shows that the Chinese could have built all of their guns with such fine attention to detail.

 

[milprileb]

Martin, I have one of these but its been arsenal refurbed. Its still unfired in the grease (as you are apt to lust for..greasy original examples), I will pull it and send your the serial #.

I distinctly remember seeing these security forces SKS's flogged in SGN and phoning my father at his gun shop and telling him to get one for me. At the time, he had 3 cases of SKS's at $69.99 on the stores floor and gave me a hard time why not take one in stock ? I think he went through something like 18 cases of SKS's and had cornered the local 3 state market with his cut throat price , his mark up was $25 over cost. He bought them cheap and moved them out. Not a single SKS came back with a snivel about not working or buyers regret. He could not keep Chicom 762x39mm in stock , it flew off the shelves faster than he could order it .

 

[shotout]

Here is a 1988 advertisement in Shotgun News.

 

[sksguide]

These are some as issued beautiful chinese SKS. I have a couple marked this way also.
BUT, i always wondered if these police security markings were done for internal use ( but unissued and then sold to USA as sought of surplus) ) or if they were marked this way as a sales pitch by Kengs?
Now the ceremonial parade rifles are seen with welcoming troops for every dignitary that visits china. They do exist .As i recall, those sold here eventually came with a certificate that they were authentic from the same factory as those actually issued to Chinese ceremonial troops. ( Some few were brought in as samples by TT Yu which were claimed to be pulled from service to check the market for such ceremonial sks here).
The Chinese sold and made every type of SKS in the 80s to get badly needed foreign currency. Everything made before 1980 ( apx) could be made for internal or military export. Everything after about 1980 can be considered as made for export to the USA. (Although some of those SKS could still have been used internally).
So what do we really know and why. Thanks for all input.

 

[JIMMY C]

These are some as issued beautiful chinese SKS. I have a couple marked this way also.
BUT, i always wondered if these police security markings were done for internal use ( but unissued and then sold to USA as sought of surplus) ) or if they were marked this way as a sales pitch by Kengs?
Now the ceremonial parade rifles are seen with welcoming troops for every dignitary that visits china. They do exist .As i recall, those sold here eventually came with a certificate that they were authentic from the same factory as those actually issued to Chinese ceremonial troops. ( Some few were brought in as samples by TT Yu which were claimed to be pulled from service to check the market for such ceremonial sks here).
The Chinese sold and made every type of SKS in the 80s to get badly needed foreign currency. Everything made before 1980 ( apx) could be made for internal or military export. Everything after about 1980 can be considered as made for export to the USA. (Although some of those SKS could still have been used internally).
So what do we really know and why. Thanks for all input.

Cret's looked like this.

 

[martin08]

These are some as issued beautiful chinese SKS. I have a couple marked this way also.
BUT, i always wondered if these police security markings were done for internal use ( but unissued and then sold to USA as sought of surplus) ) or if they were marked this way as a sales pitch by Kengs?
Now the ceremonial parade rifles are seen with welcoming troops for every dignitary that visits china. They do exist .As i recall, those sold here eventually came with a certificate that they were authentic from the same factory as those actually issued to Chinese ceremonial troops. ( Some few were brought in as samples by TT Yu which were claimed to be pulled from service to check the market for such ceremonial sks here).
The Chinese sold and made every type of SKS in the 80s to get badly needed foreign currency. Everything made before 1980 ( apx) could be made for internal or military export. Everything after about 1980 can be considered as made for export to the USA. (Although some of those SKS could still have been used internally).
So what do we really know and why. Thanks for all input.

No written documentation or proof exists that these were produced for Public Security in 1963. All we have are the rifles from a narrow serial range, all in excellent high-finish condition. I believe I remember seeing pics of Public Security officials carrying SKS carbines, but none with resolution which would distinguish the marks on the receiver.

 

[Vamp06]

Picked up a 0141 Arsenal Public Security marked SKS this past weekend for 375.00, unfired, matching, with threaded barrel. It seems like these Public Security rifles are coming out of the wood work, every show one turns up. The strange thing is no one knows they are even marked Public Security, they think they are selling your run of the mill Chi-com SKS.