Mine was marked "#4 Mk I (T)"
so I assume so.

 

Correct me if I am wrong , but not all correct No.4Mk1 T Sniper rifles are marked "T" on the side of the receiver. Some are only marked "TR" on the left side of the receiver wrist.

 

There are a number of marks to identify a true "T". Some require special fonts. A"T" that saw service in the India army may be scrubbed during rebuild by RFI. But even these retain the special "T". Regards, Gary

 

The early rifles were not "T" stamped. It appears to have been late '43 that the "T" stamp became standard. Some rifles that had not been "T" stamped were later so marked by armorers "fixing" the problem.
Clear as mud!

 

A number of Savage rifles were made up but not yet mated with scopes.
These lack the "T" or "TR" mark and also the scope serial number on the buttstock
wrist. However the rifle serial number is found on the buttstock tenon.

 

If it had other markings indicating conversion such as the TR, S, serial number stamped under butt socket etc it might be. Post a few pics and let the forum discuss.

 

I cant post pics or a link as it's an active auction

 

This one ?..... Its mine. Critique it guys. No doubt to me that its a Genuine No4Mk1T Sniper M47C 1944 TR --- even though there is no "T" on the side of the receiver that I can see

 

thants the one

 

Its Original and its authentic

 

thanks, sorry for calling anything into question but I'm new to this and half of the stories I hear are how one person or another bought something that wasnt worth the money.

 

No sweat -Always do your homework and make informed decisions..... I know what you mean about "Gun Guys"

half of the stories I hear are how one person or another bought something that wasnt worth the money.

I am one !( A "Gun Guy") We bleat when we find a bargain and whine when we pay too much..... I took 20 rare and valuable guns down to the big Antique Arms show in Las Vegas 2 weeks ago, and sold 5 of them.(Did not take the TR Sniper and original scope ).Figured I would leave them home and see what the do on GB) Some of the "Low Ball" offers from high roller gun dealers were entertaining at best. It reminded me that on the "Shit/Gold" theory...... Their stuff was "Gold" while they try and convince me that my stuff is "Shit"-HOWEVER those times are just part of the "Fun" of being a "Gun Guy" Check out the Unissued UF 55 Fazarkeley I put up with No Reserve.....
Through the years I learned that an Item is only worth what the market will bear at the time it is offered for sale. Welcome to the "Hobby"

 

I have a 1944 M47C BSA with no "T" stamp but it has the Enfield inspection stamp on the right rear receiver indicating final inspection as a sniper with scope, Ray

 

Careful, I don't think it would still be sealed against drool.

 

TR rifles that did not pass final inspection did not receive the T stamp on the left side of the receiver. Many rifles sent to Holland & Holland with the TR mark did not pass initial inspection (647) and were returned to service. Some early rifles that did pass finial inspection did not get the T stamp. Clear as mud, isn't it.

This is a 44 BSA (T). It has a unmatched mount and MkI scope.

 

And now to toss a cat among the pigeons....anyone have a Trials sniper WITH a "T" ?????

 

not one mine



No "T" on mine, Wheaty. Mine needs a good scubbing and a polish of the wood to get it to look just right. It's a 1931 No. 4 Mk 1.

I need a good barrel mechanic to help me with this one.

 

According to Skennerton several thousand No4(T)s were left unfinished at war's/contract's end, that is they were complete and identical with other rifles except that the brackets were not fitted, and so no T stamp was applied. These are often seen in Chests, No15 with "Rifle No4 MkI" and below that "(T Less Telescope)" stencilled on.

I'm guessing they may have been rifles set aside for some issue not related to accuracy* and never rectified, as the one I had was dated 1944 and AFAWK, a 1944 rifle would not have been converted ahead of the numerous 1945 rifles that were completed. That could be wrong of course, but it makes sense to me.

* The one I had was extremely accurate and that was tested out to 1000 yards. Had about 600 rounds through it when I got it reportedly.

 

N8Gunnr, In 1944 some BSA-Shirley rifles were unfinished for one, or more of three reasons. Front sight block not to spec (tho' later that was excused), a shortage of 'scopes or the termination of the first contract. A finished (T) rifle in '44 would have had the (T) stamp applied by MoD inspectors at H&H and have the 'scope's s/n visable on the buttstock.

I have a N prefixed, unfinished BSA-Shirley. It's finished to the point of installing a 'scope and bracket. I know it was built prior to Oct. 1944 as it lacks the trigger guard sling swivel.

The bulk of the approx. 3,400 unfinished (T) rifles are the Savage conversions which were rebarrelled at Enfield, sent to H&H, but the termination of the second contract halted any further progression. As these rifle didn't come from BSA-Shirley or Maltby, they won't have a TR stamp.

Brad

 

I know it was built prior to Oct. 1944 as it lacks the trigger guard sling swivel.

Brad,My education on these is expanding ! Thanks everyone for the input ! The 1st auction cycle on my rifle closed at over $1000 , however the "High Bidder" Renigged claiming "sudden layoff" from his job. He has a Russian sounding name and lives in Arizona. I have been debateing leaving him neg feedback or not. He has offered to pay the re listing fee's (if I dont leave Negative Feedback)

Your swivel statement is intresting to me. I had bought 3 of the Century Snipers ( in addition to this one, which came out of Idaho) and I took the trigger guard swivel off of the worst of the Century India return No4Mk1T Snipers , and installed it on this rifle.......So mine came to me without that swivel as well.
I am curious as hell to know what the No.32 Mk II scope will close at in 3 days. Wheaty did outstanding R&R work on this scope....Thanks Again, Warren !