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Nice US issued 1917 Remington M91 with correct sling

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I grabbed this nice contract 1917 Remington M91 at The Max show today for a very fair price. I’ve wanted one for years, but couldn’t ever seem to get one.

It’s all matching, very nice stock, and Us ordnance marked as would be expected for one in this shape.

The sling on it also appears to be the correct style missed with this rifles, according to the “Allied Rifle Contracts In America” book. Interestingly, the stock is marked with some kind of unit number that also matches one stamped in the sling.

Super happy with this one!
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Excellent!
 
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That's a great piece. The sling is marvelous and rare. Those marking are probably a battalion(regiment(?)/company/rack #. I have one in the 528K range marked "6 E 23", and I wonder what unit this would have been--National Guard, or SATC, or a US Army basic training school, or ?
The pinned "29" is an inventory or acquisition #, must've been in a museum collection.
 
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Appreciate the replies everyone! When I grabbed this I was actually unaware that the sling was uncommon. I just saw it was a super nice Remington for a good price and immediately grabbed it. A buddy of mine at the show mentioned it was hard to find that sling, and then I noticed the unit mark matched the one on the rifle and was very excited haha!
 
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I'm sure I've asked this some time in the past but is this sling correct for Remington only?

Once I bought a "m/91 Remington" missing its barrel/action/magazine, just to get the sling. Without knowing any better I installed the sling to my Westinghouse. The procedure was like performing brain surgery for Tutankhamun's mummy and while the sling remained unharmed I sure wouldn't like to do it again.

 
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I'm sure I've asked this some time in the past but is this sling correct for Remington only?
In Chas. Clawson's book "American-Made Mosin Nagant Rifles", page 12, he writes that those are "US contract" slings. Since both Remington and N.E.W. produced rifles under US contracts, (280,0000+) we can assume that the slings were intended for both. Unfortunately, Clawson doesn't list any sling manufacturers or contract data.
Mercado (p.63) lists it as a "US Ordnance issue" leather sling.
Photos from Remington production lines show rifles on racks ready for packing and shipping to Russia with bayonets, but sans slings.
 
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I wonder if some of these "US contract" style slings made it to Finland? I would assume they did. I have a few SA marked slings that look remarkably similar. I have no idea if they are original or the Finns just copied the style.
To me, your slings look like U.S. production.

In 1936 or so the CG slings were transitioned from cast oval buckles to iron wire buckles which are definitely a copy of that of the U.S. production slings. Date of the Sk.Y iron wire buckle drawing is May 22, 1936. I don't know who made the buckles but it was the Sk.Y who in turn supplied the buckles further for sling manufacturers. Unlike the U.S. made buckles, the Finnish ones were tinned.
 
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Seems odd, but since no one questions it, I assume it is correct that US flaming bomb is only on the stock and that stock is also Russian(?) stamped. No armory inspection or academy. How would this gun have been used?
Not sure what you mean, re: "academy"?

It is correctly marked.
This rifle was originally produced on Russian contracts, but was purchased along with about 78K other Remington Mosins by the US after the contracts were embargoed and canceled when the Bolsheviki came to power--hence the Russian stock cartouche and the "Π" and "pigeon" on the chamber. SN range is 508K --587K.
These Remington rifles were stamped on the wood with "US" and an "eagle head w/number" by US inspectors, and the ordnance flaming bomb.
Westinghouse rifles similarly purchased (about 200K) were marked by US inspectors quite differently, for what ever reason, with eagle head/number stamps /ordnance bomb on the chambers and sometimes wood and receivers.
Rifles that went thru US arsenals for repair or processing were then stamped just like repaired US small arms, with the arsenal name stamped on the left side of the stock wrist., i.e. "Benicia" in a rectangle.