Nice condition ,they were used as clubs more than guns ...........it would also have two pins in the breech that fit a circular groove in the shell base ,to make it even more difficult to fire without correct ammo...........however ,the locals were said to use 16ga shells wrapped in tape to fire the guns..............By the way ,the pieces cracking out of the grip can be cured by putting paper washers in the socket ,so the wood is clear of the metal.

 

I used to own one in original configuration, and while I had brass, I never actually shot it.

 

That's a real nice example DisasterDog! And thanks for the advice on the paper washers John. I know that that dark mark looks like a tang crack, but I took the buttstock off and it's actually just a deep scratch mark in the wood. I'll still try out your paper washer method though just in case

 

Back in the ‘80’s, I came in off the road for a rest and to service the truck, oil, lube, tires and brakes, also to see what my employees had been buying. Among the milsurp plunder lay five of these dandy looking “Egyptian” shoties. Said “Cool!” until I saw the problem. But my guy says in his north of the Hadrian Wall accent, “Dinna fash laddie, dinna fash.” So I didn’t and he fixed them right up sorta the same way as mentioned above. Reamed the chambers longer and with longer than usual forcing cones. Modified the firing pins/breach blocks and cleaned off the sand, blood and dried animal fat grease. They looked and worked great! I told them to save the best one for me and went back trucking. That was the last I ever saw of those Greeners but at least I made my money back, I think……??

 

I have been looking for live ammo for almost 40 years .
I have original brass shells but the primers are dead .
I found plastic reproduction shells with #9 shot but they had dead primers also .
The FFL who recieved the shotgun commented that the 10 brass shells would be worth more than the gun....

 

I bought one in original condition at a gun store in my travels just because I thought it was cool. Found a C&C company that makes a brass cartridge and had all the information to purchase wads, plugs and a powder charge to actually shoot it. I now have 10 rounds to shoot and reload.

 

I had a nice one once. I foolishly sold it. Haven't seen another since.

 

Where are people suddenly pulling out these super nice Greeners from? I have two, and they both look they were used to drive tent stakes

 

Nice gun.

I bought one many years ago. Mine still has the bottleneck shotshell chamber. It also has the weird firing pin setup that needs a circular groove in the shotshell base to prevent firing regular shotshells in it too. I never got around to ordering some of the special shotshells from a firm online that made them. Thus I never fired mine either.

there were a number of cases where the guns were used to commit crimes etc. they usually took 16 guage shells and taped them up to fit in the chamber. But they had to file down the outer two prongs on the firing pin so it would shoot. There was a case where an Egyptian police officer loaned his to his brother who used it to kill another guy for some reason too. Anyway the oddball bottlenecked shotshells didn’t stop the natives from using the shotguns for nefarious purposes.

 

very nice
About 10-12 years ago they sold these boxes of ammo, like 100 cartridges ? Original stuff in wood cases?
I'd say I am remembering wrong, but I bought a box, and need to double check.

Ed

 

very nice
About 10-12 years ago they sold these boxes of ammo, like 100 cartridges ? Original stuff in wood cases?
I'd say I am remembering wrong, but I bought a box, and need to double check.

Ed

Original ammunition for these is extremely uncommon, seen single rounds selling for ~$35.

 

I acquired one of these rifles and a bag of brass ammo recently in good condition. I have no interest in the gun or ammo, approx what is the price range of the ammo and shotgun? thank you.

 

Condition is everything, as you can tell from the wide range in this thread….. but I paid $600 for mine, all inclusive, a couple years ago.

 

"This one had the chamber reamed out for 12 gauge (not by me) and has the rest of the barrel left in 14 gauge, so it acts kind of like a modified choke (dimensions are similar)."

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the OPs Mk.III was never chambered for the bottle-necked 12/14g cartridge, but has always been a 12g. All of the Egyptian Police guns in 12/14g that I've seen, owned, & handled have the EG stamp on the right-hand side of the action, along with some Arabic script on the barrel & action. Greener Mk.IIIs were made in three chamberings; the straight-sided 14 1/2g (these are the ones which were sometimes used with paper-wrapped 16g ammo to overcome the loose fit), standard 12g, & the bottlenecked 12/14g. In addition to having a bottlenecked chamber, the 12/14g guns also had a three-pronged firing pin, the two outer prongs designed to fit in an annular groove at the rear of the cartridge, so that the central firing pin could reach the primer, this was another feature to make it more difficult for captured or stolen guns being able to be used with anything other than the unique ammunition designed solely for these guns.

Greener Police Shotgun Cartridge and Weapon (dave-cushman.net)

 

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the OPs Mk.III was never chambered for the bottle-necked 12/14g cartridge, but has always been a 12g.

I was wondering about that too, the proofs would indicate you are correct. They match the ones on my ‘70s GP.

 

A friend of mine machined a forming die to make 12/14g from the MagTech brass 12g cases, & then cut the two outer prongs off the firing pin to alleviate the need for the annular ring on the original case heads, & uses it with great success.

 

Would be interesting to see how he made that due setup.

 

The Solomon Islands Police had a lot of these guns.....they were all confiscated and destroyed by RAMSI.........youd have to assume they had the ammo for them.

 

In fact 14g is not a big difference........a lot of competition guns are 14g ,using 12ga shells...............As a commercial gun ,the Greener must he proofed and have gauge and proof marks on the barrel made by the Birmingham proof house .

 

As a commercial gun ,the Greener must he proofed and have gauge and proof marks on the barrel made by the Birmingham proof house .

The examples from @martin08 and myself are both proofed similarly with the “1-1/2 oz” (shot) marking. The “Tons per [ ]” marking on the OPs example didn’t come into use until 1954, and clearly shows it was proofed for 12 gauge 2-7/8” shells. I’ll dig out my GP in the morning for comparison, but they’ll probably nearly identical.

 

SteelSteed said: "Would be interesting to see how he made that due setup."

Here's some photos he posted on the British Militaria Forums site, but not sure if they're detailed enough:

Greener 12/14g made from MagTech 12g brass shotshells.

Top die is a LEE .577/.450 M-H that he got the outside dimensions from.

Finished product.

 

I listed my Egyptian Greener Police shotgun for sale yesterday on the trader section

 

I’m cleaning a Greener and it is missing the middle barrel band. Does anyone have an idea where to get one? Is there another old rifle or shotgun that has a similar-enough profile to use?
Thanks,
T