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Discussion starter · #41 ·
Just a few photos with my 110 camera. Some along the gulf others from moving up. I served on a M88 At times. We did have several Abrams go down. But these were mostly from filthy air filters. That problem was corrected long ago. You can see the Iraqi equipment did not fair well.
One T-55 in the photo looks intact and undamaged. You could have taken it for myself. It's a great tank, actually. For the zombie apocalypse.
 
Discussion starter · #42 ·
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I read your original statement and then I read the articles and then I read the original statement you made again. At the very least you over exaggerate Russia's role, and at the most it's full-blown delusion. I'm still trying to understand what the purpose of this thread is in the first place. Making a claim that the US revolution wouldn't have succeeded without Russia just takes us further off course into fantasyland.

By your logic, the US revolution wouldn't have succeeded without Germany either as your article claimed that Great Britain tried to buy troops from Germany and was declined.

Neither however could be definitively pointed to as critical and are at best contributing factors of various influence.

You go on to liken the US's role in Ukraine to Russia's role in the US revolution. Nothing could be further from the truth. Whether I agree with it or not the United States has sent an unimaginable resource pool to Ukraine. In the US revolution, according to your sources, Russia simply refused to send troops. There's no guarantee that Russia sending troops in the first place would have had a large impact. History is wrought with stories of soldiers in strange places failing to fight with the fervor of locals. (Certainly as a Russian you can understand this!)

Bottom line, I appreciate your passion on tank warfare, and if nothing else this thread can serve as witness to the power of propaganda and nationalism at home and abroad.
Russia helped the United States to stand up against Great Britain primarily by unblocking the United States from the sea. The economy, trade, technology are the main thing. Compare the power of Great Britain at that time (it was called the "Empire over which the sun never sets") and the capabilities of the United States of that period. They are not comparable.
 
Russia helped the United States to stand up against Great Britain primarily by unblocking the United States from the sea. The economy, trade, technology are the main thing. Compare the power of Great Britain at that time (it was called the "Empire over which the sun never sets") and the capabilities of the United States of that period. They are not comparable.
Of course Great Britain in the last quarter of the 18th Century was immensely powerful compared to any of its colonies. But I have seen no evidence that the Russians provided any significant "unblocking" to allow the Rebels to trade across the sea. Dutch did and so did the French. French also supplied arms and troops, which helped balance the British renting Hessians from places like Hanau and Aschaffenburg.
 
Russia helped the United States to stand up against Great Britain primarily by unblocking the United States from the sea. The economy, trade, technology are the main thing. Compare the power of Great Britain at that time (it was called the "Empire over which the sun never sets") and the capabilities of the United States of that period. They are not comparable.
That is some seriously next-level revisionist history. Is this what they teach in school in Russia?
 
Wonder if he is getting paid to spout propaganda..... Russia is a mere shadow of its former self. It has only been ruled by Monarchs or Dictators even tho they pretend to have elections. IOW, like many ME countries they have no concept of 'freedom'. No history of it.
20% of Russian citizens still have outhouses and no indoor plumbing.
Their population has not grown since WW2...it is the same... whereas ours has more than doubled. If they did not have oil and natural gas (like the Arabs) they'd be poorer than church mice.
 
Russia assisted in only one way..by remaining 'neutral'...King George asked for Catherine to send troops to Canada so he could send more to the revolution down below. She said no.
Russia did not have any kind of naval blockade or anything else. They were simply neutral.

We, otoh, sent thousands of tanks, trucks, weapons, uniforms, aircraft to Russia in WW2...
The amount of aid was 1.3 billion (that would be a good $2,115,000,000 today) and they offered much less and never paid anything until 1972 and still welched on the deal...cheated, as they do.
We sent over 22,000 armored vehicles to Russia in WW2 without a dime in payment.
 
Wonder if he is getting paid to spout propaganda..... Russia is a mere shadow of its former self. It has only been ruled by Monarchs or Dictators even tho they pretend to have elections. IOW, like many ME countries they have no concept of 'freedom'. No history of it.
20% of Russian citizens still have outhouses and no indoor plumbing.
Their population has not grown since WW2...it is the same... whereas ours has more than doubled. If they did not have oil and natural gas (like the Arabs) they'd be poorer than church mice.
Hey now, Reiver, what do you have against outhouses?:mad: I lived for more than 10 years with nothing but that, and it was here in a good old US of A... Log cabin, wood stove for heat and right next to National Forest up in the mountains. I do agree with the rest of your post though....
 
Hey now, Reiver, what do you have against outhouses?:mad: I lived for more than 10 years with nothing but that, and it was here in a good old US of A... Log cabin, wood stove for heat and right next to National Forest up in the mountains. I do agree with the rest of your post though....
Well, that was your choice not something you had to live with..... slight difference. They can't call a plumber.....
 
Well, that was your choice not something you had to live with..... slight difference. They can't call a plumber.....
Oh, they can call one. Might have to leave the farm (or village) and go to the nearest town. And then they would be likely to hear the plumber say "Nyet" (using Latin lettering here) when asked to come look at the problem....
 
That's a cool thing about outhouses, no plumbing problems. Mine even had an electric heater and light in it. Flip the switch as you going in there and all is good. It was about 20 yards away from the cabin.... I must say though that then girlfriend now wife was not as positive about the outhouse as I was...
 
Russia helped the United States to stand up against Great Britain primarily by unblocking the United States from the sea. The economy, trade, technology are the main thing. Compare the power of Great Britain at that time (it was called the "Empire over which the sun never sets") and the capabilities of the United States of that period. They are not comparable.

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Discussion starter · #55 ·
But.. but.. but... the USSR won the WW2 all on its own dammit. Would've done it even sooner if not for the Americans getting in the way of the glorious Soviet Army. Retreating all the way to Moscow was all planned from the very beginning, all according to plan.
Are you saying that a toilet like a "сортир" on the street is a distinctive feature not only of the USSR, but also of the USA? I'm sorry for you, Watson. What they were running from, they came to. As the famous saying goes:

"Штирлица Мюллер зверски пытал...
нюхать портянки свои заставлял...
к счастью неведомо было уродине...
Штирлицу нравились запахи Родины..."
 
Are you saying that a toilet like a "сортир" on the street is a distinctive feature not only of the USSR, but also of the USA? I'm sorry for you, Watson. What they were running from, they came to. As the famous saying goes:

"Штирлица Мюллер зверски пытал...
нюхать портянки свои заставлял...
к счастью неведомо было уродине...
Штирлицу нравились запахи Родины..."
I wouldn't call it a "distinctive feature", but outhouses are still in use here and there. I just lived in a place without indoor plumbing that's all. By my own choice, mind you....
 
Discussion starter · #57 ·
Russia's actions contributed not only to the first victories of the American separatists, but also to their strategic success. Having failed on land, the British established a naval blockade of the American coast and launched a war against European trade with North America. In response, in 1780, Russia issued a Declaration of Armed Neutrality, in which it officially declared its active rejection of the closure of the Atlantic, thereby confusing all the cards for the British. Most European States soon joined the Declaration, which contributed to the preservation and development of maritime trade in the Atlantic. A "League of Neutral Powers" emerged, which essentially became a direct ally of the self-proclaimed United States. The fact is that this policy had an important nuance: "armed neutrality" did not prevent the American navy from hunting for British warships and merchant vessels. But there were also states that entered into open military conflict in order to weaken Britain and help the United States. The main one was France, which started a war with Britain (1778-1783).
Now look at the current situation with Ukraine. Does it remind you of anything?
 
Discussion starter · #59 ·
The first photo shows a damaged T-55. Judging by the position of the cannon, he was trying to aim at an American helicopter attacking him. Previously, successful cases have already occurred when one T-62 managed to shoot down a Hugh Cobra attack helicopter with a shot from its 115mm cannon (In another war). No luck this time.

The second photo shows an inverted T-55. What should have happened to turn over the tank? In general, the T-55 is a durable, reliable and unpretentious tank made according to the classic Western model without gross errors. Now the old T-55s are being repaired, upgraded and returned to service. They have some advantages over modern tanks. These T-55s are given to NON-tankers as the main reinforcement and vehicle at the same time.

The third and fourth photos appear to show the landing deck of an American amphibious assault ship, on which, along with the Abrams, there are not bad preserved T-72, T-72M and some kind of local modification of the T-62. All the photos are very valuable for the story.
 
Well, that was your choice not something you had to live with..... slight difference. They can't call a plumber.....
Oh, they can call one. Might have to leave the farm (or village) and go to the nearest town. And then they would be likely to hear the plumber say "Nyet" (using Latin lettering here) when asked to come look at the problem....
To fix an outhouse there is no need for a plumber.
Maybe a carpenter to repair the seating or outer structure.
Or a backhoe to dig a new hole. ;)
 
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