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Breda Modello 30 questions

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#1 ·
I have become fascinated by the Breda Model 30; not looking to acquire one but just learning more about them. Everything that I've read echoes Ian McCollum's review of it as possibly the worst light machine gun of WWII. The operational issues with this gun seem severe and probably cannot be fixed. Many are directly related to the lack of primary extraction provided by the fermeture nut and the non-rotating bolt which required oiling the cartridges which led to contamination which led to stoppages.

However I think Ian may be overly critical about the continuity of fire issue. Reloading the magazine in situ on the side of the gun may not have been intended to be the primary method of re-supply. It may have been included as a "plan b" in case the assistant gunner/loaded was killed or wounded and the gunner had to reload it alone. A lot would depend on the assistant gunner/loader's standard issue kit.

The gun becomes useless without a magazine so the loader should have carried at least one and preferably two or more loaded magazines and a large quantity of chargers, at least 8 or 10 and possibly more. If that were the case then reloading could be accomplished by detatching the empty magazine from the dust cover, inserting a new magazine and continuing to fire. The empty mag could then be reloaded from a charger. Operated in this way the continuity of fire would not be significantly worse than BAR, Bren or Type 96…until it inevitably jammed.

Does anyone know for a fact what the loader's standard issue consisted of? How many chargers and if there were any spare magazine bodies as well? And what did the gunner himself carry in the way of ammo or mag bodies?
 
#2 ·
Thera was a spare magazine body but it was intended as a spare part and not as interchangeable magazie, The gunner carried the spare magazine in a leather pouch. The magazine was quite heavy, made of machined steel and to change it was not so immediate and reqiured some time Not so easy, under stress and with frozen fingers or fumbling in the sand with a full-oiled machinegun . The loaders were carried in boxes with straps, to be carried on the back, but not by the gunner (that's what the manual said, if i reuimber correctly). Anotther problem with the gun was that after many rounds, when heated, it started to burn the lubricating oil on tha cartriges, and your position waa given away by a tiny white cloud over you.
 
#4 ·
There was a backpack assembly for two spare barres, tools and little oil cans. and there were some models of ammunition boxes, some suitable for motorcycles too. There was even a mount kit to trasport the Breda 30 on a motorcycle. If I recall correctly the gunner was supposed to carry the gun and the spare magazine, some assistant gunner carried ammunition boxes while the "group leader" carried spare barrlels with tools.. Each ammunition box contained 15 chargers (300 rounds). Obviously it's possible that what the manual stated diidn't actuallly happened in reality (combat).