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1913 Remington bayonet

1.3K views 9 replies 6 participants last post by  David Murvihill  
#1 ·
Hi all! I just purchased a 1913 Remington bayonet and scabbard for $175 Canadian.
It does not have the X stamp for bend test. Does not have the US stamp. And no hole drilled for cleaning the channel on handle.
Please, if anyone can give me some more info on this bayonet, I'd appreciate it!
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#8 ·
There is something funky there. They were all over the world and aren’t scarce. Can’t fathom the need for a repro yet they exist.
I have similar inspection markings on two of mine although none including this one are exactly the same.
Cannot rule out it may have been reapplied after scrubbing?

We’ve seen it on refreshed arms aimed at the tourist industry on many other types of arms before. And this one has definitely been scrubbed. Whether it was different out of the chutes or applied in a shop in Khyber County…? :unsure: :LOL:
 
#5 ·
As someone who collects M1917 bayonets and P.13 bayonets, it looks fine to me. The cleanout hole is a US specification, not British. Your bayonet was made by Remington in May of 1917 for the British contract. Yours is an honest example.
 
#6 · (Edited)
My P13 bayonets are sans the British Xbend test marks as well.
Both Remington and Winchester, so that is normal.
The bayonet pattern was officially sealed in 1913. Production was geared for the rifle whos pattern was sealed in 1914.

The P1913 rifle itself was in development and shut down at the outbreak of WW1. Hurried production changes going over from .276 to 303 for logistical reasons gave us the pattern number change.

When the US makers were completing the P14 contract, we were entering the war and were short on Springfield rifles.
Retooling Remington and Winchester as well as setting up the Eddystone plant was projected to take too long.
It was decided instead to modify the British rifle (Not rechamber!) to accept out 30-06 round. That
became the US1917.

P13 bayonets remaining on US soil were then surcharged into US inventory. Only those had the British markings lined out and US ordnance markings applied.

Your bayonet is legit. It’s seen a rough life and has been cleaned but it’s the real deal.

Surcharged bayonets were among those which were sent from the US into Canada. There they received the Canadian C broad arrow. Canada also removed the US style hooks on the scabbard adapting them to the British pattern webbing.

After Ww2, Canada provided the rifles and bayonets to the Netherlands wmany scabbards were fitted with new top plates with the hooks again.
They were using a mix of UK and US surplus in the early postwar era.
They also made a web and hooks adapter so the bayonets could be worn with either web gear.

Your bayonet will interchange with the US Version.
 
#7 ·
My P13 bayonets are sans the British Xbend test marks as well.
Both Remington and Winchester, so that is normal.
The bayonet pattern was officially sealed in 1913. Production was geared for the rifle whos pattern was sealed in 1914.

The P1913 rifle itself was in development and shut down at the outbreak of WW1. Hurried production changes going over from .276 to 303 for logistical reasons gave us the pattern number change.

When the US makers were completing the P14 contract, we were entering the war and were short on Springfield rifles.
Retooling Remington and Winchester as well as setting up the Eddystone plant was projected to take too long.
It was decided instead to modify the British rifle (Not rechamber!) to accept out 30-06 round. That
became the US1917.

P13 bayonets remaining on US soil were then surcharged into US inventory. Only those had the British markings lined out and US ordnance markings applied.

Your bayonet is legit. It’s seen a rough life and has been cleaned but it’s the real deal.

Surcharged bayonets we’re among those which were sent from the US into Canada. There they received the Canadian C broad arrow. Canada also removed the US style hooks on the scabbard adapting them to the British pattern webbing.

After Ww2, Canada provided the rifles and bayonets to the Netherlands were many scabbards were fitted with new top plates with the hooks again.
They were using a mix of UK and US surplus in the early postwar era.
They also made a web and hooks adapter so the bayonets could be worn with either web gear.
Thankyou JB White. Very interesting!