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1851 Richards-mason conversion by cimarron

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#1 ·
I picked these up last year. I'm slowly getting together everything I need to get into CAS, and I chose these over an 1873 clone. They are 38 special. I'm happy with how they function and shoot now, but they were definitely not ready to go out of the box. Anyone looking at getting one of these, be aware it's a project gun when you get it. I knew that going in, so I'm not upset about it.

A list of what I had to do:
The cylinder hands were not the right size so they would bind and lock up the cylinder. I replaced them in both guns.

The arbor were short, and the wedges were loose. The wedge would pop out of both guns after 2 to 3 shots. So, I built up the arbor and fit them properly. This lead to another problem...

The wedge was loose on both guns. Tilting it to the side was enough for it to fall out. So I ordered new wedges, the black powder style ones with the spring. And fit them to the guns. They can now be firmly seated with thumb pressure. And don't walk free.

Both guns are tack drivers, and can easily hit a target at 100 yards if I do my part. They shoot a little high, and I'm going to replace the grips.
 

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#22 ·
I went into it knowing that they would need work. I did a lot of research and I decided that it was worth the risk, and I was capable of fixing any potential issues. Had I not known, it'd have been a different story. I'm happy with how they are now, and I have a lot of pride in them because I did all the work and made them into excellent pistols. Ymmv
 
#8 ·
Tombstone makes nice repro ivory or pearl grips

the square back London trigger guard is very difficult to find'

besides converting the Uberti 1851 to cartridge, I also converted the Ubert1 1861 to cartridge. These were
all gunshow incomplete revolvers that were not expensive. I did have two Legal Defender 38 S&W cylinders,
but you can convert the original cylinder as they did back in the post 1865 period. Hollow base lead bullets
are perfect.
 
#11 ·
I did the Uberti Colt 1861 the original way that the old gunsmiths used - made the parts. At the
time cartridge conversions were not available

I would suggest looking at the Kirst Konverter kit, or else have them do the conversion
 

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#19 ·
My only problem with the krist converter is it's a 5 shot and it's 45lc. I want a 6 shot 44 colt. I know it'll be a pain to find brass, but that's part of the fun, making my own ammo. Those are nice revolvers! I'll find someone to convert mine eventually. Or maybe once I have a garage I'll buy a mill and learn to do it myself
 
#13 ·
I picked these up last year. I'm slowly getting together everything I need to get into CAS, and I chose these over an 1873 clone. They are 38 special. I'm happy with how they function and shoot now, but they were definitely not ready to go out of the box. Anyone looking at getting one of these, be aware it's a project gun when you get it. I knew that going in, so I'm not upset about it.

A list of what I had to do:
The cylinder hands were not the right size so they would bind and lock up the cylinder. I replaced them in both guns.

The arbor were short, and the wedges were loose. The wedge would pop out of both guns after 2 to 3 shots. So, I built up the arbor and fit them properly. This lead to another problem...

The wedge was loose on both guns. Tilting it to the side was enough for it to fall out. So I ordered new wedges, the black powder style ones with the spring. And fit them to the guns. They can now be firmly seated with thumb pressure. And don't walk free.

Both guns are tack drivers, and can easily hit a target at 100 yards if I do my part. They shoot a little high, and I'm going to replace the grips.
I have a Uberti made one that I bought maybe 10 years ago. Mine was fine out of the box and shoots great, no problems like you had. Only complaint I have is the SN on the cylinder does not match the one on the pistol and is off by a digit or two.
 
#15 ·
I picked these up last year. I'm slowly getting together everything I need to get into CAS, and I chose these over an 1873 clone. They are 38 special. I'm happy with how they function and shoot now, but they were definitely not ready to go out of the box. Anyone looking at getting one of these, be aware it's a project gun when you get it. I knew that going in, so I'm not upset about it.

A list of what I had to do:
The cylinder hands were not the right size so they would bind and lock up the cylinder. I replaced them in both guns.

The arbor were short, and the wedges were loose. The wedge would pop out of both guns after 2 to 3 shots. So, I built up the arbor and fit them properly. This lead to another problem...

The wedge was loose on both guns. Tilting it to the side was enough for it to fall out. So I ordered new wedges, the black powder style ones with the spring. And fit them to the guns. They can now be firmly seated with thumb pressure. And don't walk free.

Both guns are tack drivers, and can easily hit a target at 100 yards if I do my part. They shoot a little high, and I'm going to replace the grips.
Interesting. I have a 51 RM conversion and a 72 open top. both in .38 and both are great. No issues except on rare occasion the 72 wants to bind up a hair. The 72 has a lot few rnds on it.
 
#20 ·
I haven’t been to a CAS match in some time but my main match guns for years were one Richards Type II and one 1872 Open Top, both Uberti long barrels in .44 SPL. I shot black powder exclusively so they were pretty stout loads. Other than replacing one firing pin (it bent badly after a few years but still functioned fine) I never had any issues with either one. Of course I never was fast enough to cause any speed induced damage but they were a heck of a lot of fun, clouds of smoke obscured those close up pistol targets enough to cause the occasional miss. Great guns!

Skirmisher
 
#21 ·
I haven’t been to a CAS match in some time but my main match guns for years were one Richards Type II and one 1872 Open Top, both Uberti long barrels in .44 SPL. I shot black powder exclusively so they were pretty stout loads. Other than replacing one firing pin (it bent badly after a few years but still functioned fine) I never had any issues with either one. Of course I never was fast enough to cause any speed induced damage but they were a heck of a lot of fun, clouds of smoke obscured those close up pistol targets enough to cause the occasional miss. Great guns!

Skirmisher
And a great shooting game, at least the matches I've seen.