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“No Date” FB Radom K98 - Info Request

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I had an opportunity last weekend to take a look at a parts stash of “Polish rifles”, and while a lot of the stuff was pretty much scrap, and a lot was not Polish, there were some curiosities that caught my attention.

Some of the Polish K98 stocks, sadly broken and butchered, had what I believe are Chinese provincial militia markings on the buttstock (looks like it was branded on).

One of the barreled actions caught my attention. It was a K98 carbine stamped FB Radom and had the early “chicken” eagle, but no date. It had the small acceptance proof eagles on the right side of the receiver and barrel. Serial number stamped on the receiver and barrel is not of the font/style as those issued to the Polish military (comic sans type font).

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At first I suspected a Chinese copy “Wauser”, but I saw Polish lucky charm proofs sprinkled on various parts of the assembly. I inquired about it on some Polish online resources but didn’t really get anything relevant. I’d suspect that this came out of an export contract of rifles that were sent to China, given the odd serial numbering, “rode hard and put away wet” condition, and the plethora of Chinese stocks that it was found with.

I have seen one other example on GunBroker relatively recently (2 months ago or so) that was a stripped bare receiver in much worse condition, and one in Robert Ball’s book.

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I am curious if anyone here has made heads or tails of these.
 
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I had one of the "Chinese" Radom K98- It was rough and had a sheet metal front band that was held together with screws. I also have an SCW Interarms import K98 with a crest and a 1930 date. The stock is the Wz.29 configuration and not the K-98, Kar.98 copy style stock. Also is it is the small ring action and not the standard Large Ring Wz.29 style action. It seems that the non standard Polish rifles ended up in China so was it stuff the Soviets captured in 1939 and eventually shipped there post WW2? or just supplied the communist Guerillas with this stuff during WW2?
 
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I had one of the "Chinese" Radom K98- It was rough and had a sheet metal front band that was held together with screws.
One of these? There were a bunch of them in a pile, some with screws, some without. I couldn’t identify it in person but took one as a representative example to research later.
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Cool piece. Given the Chinese militia markings on the stock, I'd venture a guess that this was one of the early Radom export rifles that Poland sold to China in small batches in 1930 (4,200 rifles) or 1931 (8,250 rifles), and likely made using at least some German reparation parts. Unfortunately, I've never seen a verified example of a rifle in these batches to know what the baseline markings should be, so again just a guess. Probably not many survived.
 
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I dug around and found some more examples.

One was a barreled action on GunBroker from a few month back, also marked with a C suffix serial number. It was also marked imported by Sile Sporters of Ossian IN. It is in similarly rough shape with pitting (and sold for a heck of a lot more than I paid!).
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Here is another example I found posted in GunBoards by our member @ryg . He stated that these “no dates” and any rough looking carbines with a C suffix serial came out of China and likely were part of the early 1930’s export contract. It is interesting that this one has a K98-29 style stock with some “home/field-made” stock hardware.
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Regarding @Betonfahrer ’s previous post, it seemed to address a question I had about an odd looking front barrel band I found on one of the spare K98-29 bayonet lugs I found. I could not find another example on any of the major parts retailers previously. It appears that these are Chinese home-grown front barrel bands for the Polish K98-29's that were sent there via an export contract in 1930 and 1931 (I think). They ONLY fit the Kar98a/K98 bayonet lugs, and have a little "detent' where they click into place on the bayonet lug recess for the hinged German/Polish barrel bands, but are instead tightened down with two small simple screws. They must be designed for the K98-29 conversion rifles only, because there is literally no way to install them on a normal Kar98a/K98 style of carbine without bending them out severely to clear the front end of the rifle. They also don't fit a normal Wz29 short rifle bayonet lug at all, as it is too large. Interesting....

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