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BMG Bob. If you hold the gun butt snug to your shouldrer and pull back on it u're find the thin neck moves back into the buttstock thus allowing the recoil to be somewhat compensated for. My friend the late Ed Anothony pointed this out to be with the ones he owned. He futher commented looking very worried, they are horrible to break parts, but these are the gun Ed jr likes to shoot most. He then took a thick paper book from among his many and it detailed with pictures and text the broken parts and when they broke. Ed said the guns were only intended for a 20.000 rd life span Max ! I've only know or 3 FG42/44s in private hands in the US. Agreed there are supposed to be more made, so why this is ???
 
groupie writes:

>If you hold the gun butt snug to your shouldrer and pull back on it u're find the thin neck moves back into the buttstock thus allowing the recoil to be somewhat compensated for.<

Yes, I am familiar with this. Your initial description above was confusing, so I thought you meant something else. I've only fired a few rounds in the gun I own and it is interesting to shoot. Whether or not they are too fragile is not of paritular interest ot me, and I doubt of the wartime users. They were sufficiently durable to serve their purpose which is all that was needed. They served in a very limited role.
The Stoner LMG is another gun that is, in my opinion, some what similar to the spirit if the FG, and it is quite fragile. I've shot many rounds from both Cadillac and Knight Stoners, and have repaired quite a few as well with broken oprods, extractors, stocks and other ailments resulting from recreational firing. In my opinion the Stoner also served a very limited role for which it apparently was adequate, but from my experience with them, they are not very durable. In their specific, limited military use perhaps they were.
The current 2nd volume of "Death From Above" lists by serial number all the known FGs and the countries in which they are located, so from that list one can extract the number that are currently known in the US. The number of FGs in the US is in the low eighties if I recall, with most registered.
There are far "rarer" MGs in the US registry than FG 42s, some represented by only one or two known examples. An interesting aspect of the MG collecting world is that many MGs were only produced in small numbers, some very small, but 10,000 to 20,000 is not uncommon. If even 1% of these guns are in the US registry, it is clear that not only are the MGs 'rare" in the registry, but compared to many other types of collectible firearms, let's say Lugers for exmaple, very few were made. FGs have a mythical status in the MG collecitng world, making them more popular than other types of MGs of which fewer were manufactured and a smaller percentage available for collecting.
The FGs that Keilholz acquired are the ones the used to belong to Byron Vickery and include a couple of Swiss FGs from Ken's own collection. Ken has contributed quite a bit of interesting information to the book. The gun being offered for sale is described by Ken as belonging to a friend and the reserve has not been met at last count.

Bob
 
Bob, yes I like Ken and on the subject of rare he definitely has rare, one of 2 Swiss 1911 Maxiums. Why the Swiss went crazy and cut those up is beyond me. Camparing the FGs to others I always thought it quite similar to the '41 Johnson. Open and closed bolt fire, side feed, high sights, reduced weight, German paratroops , Marine paratroops etc. Hadn't heard that about the Stoners. Guess it's good I never shot mine much. I wasn't demeaning the '42s guess they are like women desireable yet delicate. While on the delicate note and breakage, there was a article in the AR '46 I believe where a guy shot/tested the German PP PPK HSC and 38H with standard 765 ammo. All broke before 5000 rds.
 
Bob, can you be a little more specific on some of the Stoner breakage you have seen. I want to be prepared for mine. I have over 90,000 rounds through mine and the only issues I have had is a broken extractor. a little bit of peening on a bolt that I dressed, and a barrel that has no rifling in it any more. The only spares I do not have are the recoil spring assembly, belt feed unit and the ejector. Every thing else I have multiple spares. I can see where the Stocks can be fragile and I run with one of the aftermarket solid window stocks to keep my originals safe.

Damn it Bob, when are you going to do the right thing and adopt me! :p
 
I was somewhat interested in the 65K FG 42 til I noticed the reserve had not been meet. I despise auctions, have been able to buy nothing gun wise from them. Guess the reason I've shot my Stoner so little I find it complicated to change barrels and configurations, Never got the belt feed attached. Never took the time for it that it needed.
 
groupie writes:

>This is like only the 4th 42/44 I've ever seen for sale.<

At least a dozen 2nd model FGs have changed hands in the last five years, some of hwich went by auction, some by word of mouth and a couple on commercial sites.

The Gunbroker FG was offered by Keilholz who noted that it belonged to a friend. Ken sells at the very high end, so there is no way that the gun would have a reserve of less than $100k, and probably quite a bit higher than that.

Bob Naess
 
My friend Cam his dads friend found a fg42 and a mp40 in a 55gallon drum in a Chicago storage building. When he found them he reported it to the police and they said wait 90 days and if know one comes to claim them they are yours. Now this was about 10 years ago I don't know if he still has the 42 but he still has the mp40. My guess is someone brought them back from the war.
 
Bob, perhaps there is no reason or why but it would seem with more of the FG42/44s being made the percentage of them reaching here would be greater than the earlier 1st FG42s. But that seems to me and others not to be the case ?
 
Hi Mongo,
Thanks - we were happy to finally reach this point with it. We started a waiting list some time ago - mentioned on the site - and on that old list there are over 100 names. Which would mean new names would have an expected delivery date/call for deposit of about 9 months right now. That list will be revised in the next few weeks as it is a number of months old and a number of people may not be in the same position they were then. So, if you are on the old list, or get on it, then when it is revised the time frame will undoubtetly be shorter.
Depsoits aren't taken until we are withen 30-45 days of having that rifle ready and is a non refundable $500.

Rick
 
...If you hold the gun butt snug to your shoulder and pull back on it u're find the thin neck moves back into the buttstock thus allowing the recoil to be somewhat compensated for. ...
The "buffered" (i.e., spring-loaded) buttstock is present only in the so-called "Second Model" FG42 with the laminated wooden stock. On the early model the sheet metal buttstock is rigidly mounted and the receiver does not recoil into it.

Another interesting difference between them is that the "First Model" has two rings or steps in the chamber for longer obturation as the fired cartridge case is extracted. One is near the front of the chamber, the other near the rear. The later model just has one, at the front; this one is illustrated in Dugleby's book.

M
 
The fg42 in julia's auction went for 149k...i was bidding on it..i stopped at 100k...dennis todd bought it...about a month later, one showed up on sturgewehr for 110k and sold in 2 weeks...probaly the second highest bidder at julia's bought it? It was a nicer looking rifle, than the one that sold for 149k...
now the price dropped on the gun from 149k-110k...about 30 days after the sale of the second fg42, another popped up on sturm for 95k o.b.o.
The price went down to 85k after about 2 months and still no sale...i bet it could have been bought for 75k?...that is a pretty crappy investment of 149k down to 85k and no sale in about almost 4 months...he will never see a return or sell that gun for more than what he paid, unless he trades it off for a bunch of mg's...imhop
Is the original fg42 considered an relec/curio?
 
Yes, an original amnesty registered gun would be C&R eligible, as would a dewat and a rewat. A remanufactured gun would not be.
 
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