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Eagerly awaiting the defense of the actions of our government from the usual suspects. These ought to be good.

http://www.duiblog.com/2008/12/16/here-come-the-feds-contd-marines-at-dui-roadblocks/


The U.S. Marines have landed…and are apparently manning "sobriety checkpoints" in San Bernardino County in California. Yes, Marines. Yes, civilian DUI roadblocks.

From an official December 10th California Highway Patrol public relations release:

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CHP to Conduct Sobriety/Driver’s License Checkpoint

The Morongo office of the California Highway Patrol (CHP) in conjunction with the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department and the USMC military police will conduct a joint sobriety/driver license checkpoint on Friday, December 12, 2008, somewhere in the unincorporated/incorporated area of San Bernardino County.

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As an American citizen, not to mention a former Marine, I find this troubling — particularly in view of the clear wording of the Posse Comitatus act of 1878, described in Wikipedia:

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The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (the Army, Air Force and State national Guard forces (when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) in the former Confederate states.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.

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A follow-up call to a Marine Corps public affairs sergeant resulted in assurances that the Marines would be there "as observers". Hmmmm…..military observers. Isn’t that how it all starts?
 

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Hey mouserkid, remember Janet Reno and WACO? Want to tell me those armed helicopters and tanks were owned by the local PD?
Gee, refresh my menory, WHO was the president back then?
John, shame on you. You know better.

George W. Bush and Bill Clinton come from the same pile of crap.

Ever notice my rants are against governments and not specific administrations?
 

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MamasBoy,
After Googling this and having to sift through countless posts by the uninformed such as yourself, it seems that this is a procedure that's gone on for a long time.

Due to the high concentration of intoxicated Marines (imagine that) who travel the road, their MP's have augmented the CHP as backup for the Marines who resist arrest.

DOH!

Time to put your tinfoil hat back on and start packing for www.paulville.org
Yea sure, that's it.

And I guess that's why 20,000 trroops are planned to be stationed in the US to aid for "emergencies"?

Are you people really that complacent towards government? I bet when Obama gets in office and does these things, you will all be angered and outraged by what is going on.
 

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I think we've all noticed that you've made a cottage industry our of cursing people who do the work that you don't/won't do.

So tell us--preferably without calling anyone a nasty name just this one time--what have YOU ever done for this country? What tangible service have you provided that equals the contributions of the people that you're always on here screaming about?
You know, you seem not be able to get off your high horse and actually stick to the topic. How about responding how this makes you feel, knowing that soon, military personnel will probably be manning checkpoints in your town? Start there and see if you can actually stay on topic, rather than bringing up that tired, FLOGGED TO DEATH, counter of "HURR DURR, HAVE YOU SERVED? DURRR HURR"
 

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I can't help but get the impression that Mauserboy thinks that the every individual in the military is out to get him. Under orders of the big government/corporations military industrial complex establishment.

Can we get any MORE vague?
The military is not out to get anyone. One of the few hopes I have is that our men and women in uniform understand and take to heart their oath about upholding and defending the Constitution and to protect it from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.

I take pride in knowing we are one of the few, the very few nations where the military swears an allegiance to the document that structures the nation and not to the nation's leaders.

However I am aware of the many people, especially non-citizen military personnel, who are willing to do anything for their citizenship. Let us not forget the line most spoken at Nuremberg, "I was just following orders."

To those who sling around the expression "tin-foil hat". 9 Months ago, my side of the argument was wearing this hat when we said the economy was going to take a severe turn for the worse. Look where we are now. You all scoffed and laughed at the warnings of people like Dr. Paul, Peter Schiff and the Austrian school of economics. Current events would suggest that the ones wearing anything would be the nay-sayers that are wearing blindfolds.
 

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Does it make you feel any sort of shame to be around people who actually do value their citizenship enough to do more than just pretend to be more patriotic than everyone else?
you're now on ignore, enjoy.
 

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And the Marines (insert other service) can deal with arrest resisting Marines in ways that the CHP would end up on the front page of the LA Times and SF Chronicle because public outcry would be too much...

Mauserboy - slow down there young fellow...except for those deployed overseas all the other soldiers, sailors, marines, airman, and coastguardsmen (and women) are stationed in the US...counting reserves and the guard - thats hundreds of thousands in uniform already...
250,000 troops deployed world wide.(as of 2005)

The rest of the military may be stationed here at home, but they are not here to be called up to do police actions. Certain units have been placed in certain areas to assist in "emergency situations". According to the P.C. act, they are not supposed to be used in such a manner unless certain preconditions are met.
 

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As it happens, i know quite a bit about Posse Comitatus. The described incident doesn't appear to a violation.
To you, nothing the government does is a violation.

Must have been a terrible lawyer.
 

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Here it is:



MamasBoy needs to sit in a duck or a goose blind in freezing rain with his hands frozen around a shotgun for a few hours.

I've played COD..it's fun...it's a game...and has no semblance whatsoever to even a day at the range.
Notice the tongue sticking out-smiley face at the end of that sentence.
 

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Would you like me to go ahead and link the other posts in which you then seriously defend that statement in the same thread?
:rolleyes:
 

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this then you really do live on Fantasy Island.
Compared to other games which have no bullet penetration or proper reload animations, yes this is more realistic.

If you believe Saddam had ties to AQ or WMDs you live in Fantasy land and deserve to have your head examined.
 
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