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One of my neighbor's house just got broken into this week. He lost about $5000 in guns and $1000 in ammo. That was all that was taken so the theives knew exactly what they were looking for. Could have been the theives got a tip from the house appraiser or the appliance delivery guy, both of who where in his house recently.

Anyways, it got me to thinking a bit and I came up with a (possibly) hare-brained idea. Would there be any possible benefits to putting a tag behind the buttplate, and maybe between the stock and barrel with info such as...

This rifle was stolen from:
Your Name
Address
Phone #

Chances are the thief won't disasssemble the rifle because they are going to unload it as quickly as possible. The next guy that gets it may however, and from that there could be a paper trail from the seller, or at least a good description to give to law enforcement, etc.

What do you guys think of this idea?
 

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How about a 9mm between the eyes-
Anything would help.

I lost a bot more than that in my robbery with no leads months later. Same sort of MO but predominately Finnish handguns were taken.
 

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What if the firearm is sold to another thief? Then the other spook has your address. Not good.

I like Vic's idea.
 

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I like Vic's idea as well. Just curious though, where did your neighbor have his guns? Were they not in a safe? Or did the thieves break into his safe?
 

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You should always keep a detailed list of the guns you own; make, model and serial numbers in a safe deposit box! Note details such as importers stamps and modifications if any.

Consider stamping you driver's license number on the back of that buttplate. That won't provide the thieves with much instant information. Too many security problems and outright fraudulent uses of our Social Security numbers; so I won't consider using it for this purpose at all...
 

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Not likely the home appraiser. They have too much to lose if caught. But, a burglar is always someone you know. Who did your friend have conversations with in the last few months on a casual basis?
 

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Did your neighbor have a security system and was it armed? While they can be breached, a good system with motion detectors, battery backup, cellular call system is tough to beat unless the thieves are super pros...then a good dog is the best preventative...K9 type...I have had both...after a break-in...the safe saved all but my house gun at the time...it just sucks as you don't feel secure in your own home for quite a while.
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I am wondering...

On milsurp rifles, do you use the original stamped serial number or is there a more modern number in the electro-pen engraving?

Sorry for newbie question.
some importers use the original serial, some stamp their own serial on the rifle (especially if the original serial includes cyrillic letters or somesuch).

for legal record keeping purposes, i think you have to use the importer supplied serial, if present. if the importer didnt stamp a new serial, then use the original.

if there are electro-penciled parts, usually the stamped numbers will be lined or X'd out. i dont think i've ever seen a receiver with a lined out and electro-penciled serial...usually they just do that to the parts surrounding the receiver (or barrel shank, for mosins)
 

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You should always keep a detailed list of the guns you own; make, model and serial numbers in a safe deposit box! Note details such as importers stamps and modifications if any.

Consider stamping you driver's license number on the back of that buttplate. That won't provide the thieves with much instant information. Too many security problems and outright fraudulent uses of our Social Security numbers; so I won't consider using it for this purpose at all...
I definately have a detailed list, as you mentioned above. Plenty of pictures of each gun too, all stored online. Hopefully my neighbor did too.

I don't know about the DL idea of yours though. It's still defacing a part of the gun.

I'll attempt to answer a few questions that were asked, but my focus on the question was relative to the tag idea not solving my neighbor's crime.

I don't know the guy well enough to know many details, so I don't know what exactly was taken, just the value as I stated in my first post.

1) I don't believe he has a security system. Yes it would be nice, but not everyone can afford one.
2) Yes he has a safe, but for some reason he didn't "spin the dial" after he had it open last time. Stupid, yes. Is he beating himself up over it? Definately.
3) I don't know who else he talked to, etc. But the first visitors mentioned above would be a starting point. They guy is a deer and bird hunter, so that could have come up numerous times in casual conversations in the last few months.

As far as my tag idea, I hadn't thought about a thief selling it to another thief, therefore giving the second guy a place to look for more.

Perhaps the tag could read something to the effect of:

This firearm was stolen from its rightful owner.
Please contact your local law enforcement agency.
 

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"This firearm was stolen from its rightful owner.
Please contact your local law enforcement agency. "

It was for a good laugh!...ROTF.....

Ok, with this thinking....someone-someday that is BEYOND honest will call up the local LEO and say---eeerrr,Aaaaa, I have a stolen gun--come get it and find the owner--I dont care if I'm out $$$ for this gun--just come get it!

Yep, that would happen!


I guess let me clarify a LOT for you, who will your local LEO call to figure out who's gun it is???...ATF?...ok, from here the local LEO -MUST- determine what model and manufature it is......

Ok, just to show you how silly this is, for exmple a Finnish M28 to me is a Finnsh Mosin Nagant M28, your local LEO will label this as a "Old Russian gun" -Your LEO called the ATF with this info--"Old Russian gun with the 6 digit serial number on the right barrel shank---"(in Finnish weapons terms this was the assignment area)----Or worse they would use the bolt number (which also "may" match the right shank!)---Or would they put the small o in front of the 4-5 digit serial number.....can you see the possibilities out there???--Endless

German K98's...Shewwwww, one 4 digit serial number can equal almost 1,000 different guns!....guess what--the ATF dont CARE about the letter block in there records--or year of manufature--OR manufacture!!!

Get my drift???....Unless the finding local LEO has a direct match, ATF will not give them any information period---So your gun now gets sold at auction OR destroyed because they cant find the owner...

The "best" defense is absolute hide them in a false wall/compartment--etc....dog's (ie; more then one!) are a great second choice---then alarm and video activated camara's.....Small common gun safes are nothing more then a way to keep "honest people honest"...And imagine how you would feel if you got broken into and the thief seen your gun safe--the whole "hood" would know--now your a marked home owner!

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A few years ago, I made a list of all of the guns I own, including serial numbers, description, and special features of the firearm- and put it into an email that I save in a special folder in my Outlook Express. I also insert pics as needed too.

Whenever I buy/sell/trade a gun, I go back and select that collection list email, I add/subtract the changes to my collection, then I forward the email to myself and my workplace email. That way I have a list of my collection - in more than one place.

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A few years ago, I made a list of all of the guns I own, including serial numbers, description, and special features of the firearm- and put it into an email that I save in a special folder in my Outlook Express. I also insert pics as needed too.

Whenever I buy/sell/trade a gun, I go back and select that collection list email, I add/subtract the changes to my collection, then I forward the email to myself and my workplace email. That way I have a list of my collection - in more than one place.

John
Jeez, hope they don't steal your computer too! :)
 

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I keep my bolts, trigger groups and pistols in a safe, esp when gone away from home. The muzzle loaders are on their own. I do not know how much this would slow the vermin down.
 

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i like the false wall and dog(s) idea. also, ask for and copy valid picture ID of any service person who enters your house for an escorted visit. no gun mags lying around or anything else which may indicate gun ownership or interest. i even put away the reloading gear prior to a strangers visit. i also replace firing pins with altered ones which will not contact a primer. (my issue sig P226 and a S&W 342 are always ready and available to me). correct firing pins and any ammo are secured elsewhere. there is prob only so many precautions that we can take in advance of an attempted break. being vigilant would be one of them.
 

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"This firearm was stolen from its rightful owner.
Please contact your local law enforcement agency. "

It was for a good laugh!...ROTF.....

I guess let me clarify a LOT for you, who will your local LEO call to figure out who's gun it is???...ATF?...ok, from here the local LEO -MUST- determine what model and manufature it is......


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Seems like you have it all figured out BAF!! :rolleyes:

Did you consider that it might just give law enforcement a tip relative to finding someone peddling stolen firearms? It would be more gratifying to me to have the person caught than getting the stolen guns back.

Perhaps someone wouldn't get them back if you go along with your logic of serial numbers, etc. However, how many "old Russian guns" are stolen in any given area in a month? It wouldn't be too hard to figure out who a batch of Mosins belonged to if some where recovered locally when there would be just one or two reports of that type stolen in an area in a given month or (more likely) year.

And to answer your question specifically about the local LEO, it would be pretty easy to match any of my firearms to those recovered because I have a record of all numbers on each of my firearms. This includes documentations and photos. It isn't rocket science just because these milsurps are 50 years or older. Something as simple as a phone number or email address could be added if you wanted it to be easier for the LEO to find you. I'd just be happy with someone getting nailed for it, as I stated.

In the meantime I'll work on your suggestions. I'll start opening up my walls and stuffing them full of firearms. When I run out of wall space, which will happen long before I run out of guns to put in them, I'll start tunneling a secret compartment thru one of my basement walls. I would like to include photos of my progress, but then my secret compartment would no longer be secret.
 
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