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  • North Korean made SKS

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Not sure if that is true... Doesn't make it into the USA that is for sure. As for North Korean weapons, I do believe they turn up in quite a few conflict zones... Ol' Fidel even claimed during the NK-ship-stopped-in-Panama-carrying-MiG-engines-and-outdated-AA-missiles tempest in a teapot that the North Koreans had been unstinting in supplying Kalashnikovs while the USSR was going under. Maybe he skipped his meds that day or something, but still, a good yarn either way.
 

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Not sure if that is true... Doesn't make it into the USA that is for sure. As for North Korean weapons, I do believe they turn up in quite a few conflict zones... Ol' Fidel even claimed during the NK-ship-stopped-in-Panama-carrying-MiG-engines-and-outdated-AA-missiles tempest in a teapot that the North Koreans had been unstinting in supplying Kalashnikovs while the USSR was going under. Maybe he skipped his meds that day or something, but still, a good yarn either way.
You're right... I meant to the USA. I recall seeing pics of Nork ordnance crates in Libya recently.
 

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Interesting, I'd sure like to have an East German SKS! For what it's worth, I do have a couple East German one triangle proofed Russian rifles.
 

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If Cuba had North Korean Kalashnikovs, we should have picked up a bunch in Grenada and parts of Africa where Cuban troops operated, but I never heard of any - those, I believe, were good old Russkie weapons we captured. Still, never say never.

The Russians got mighty tired of Castro pretty quickly, so Fidel may well have looked elsewhere for his goodies. After we have found all those early Chinese SKSs in Albania, anything is possible!

As some of you may know, we had some interesting encounters in our "secret wars" with China-backed insurgencies in places like the Dominican Republic and other warm spots in the 1960s on, so there should be a bunch of Chinese SKSs and perhaps AKs floating around Honduras, etc. Russia showed remarkable good sense in staying out of those disputes, as nobody got anything good out of any of them.

Not sure if that is true... Doesn't make it into the USA that is for sure. As for North Korean weapons, I do believe they turn up in quite a few conflict zones... Ol' Fidel even claimed during the NK-ship-stopped-in-Panama-carrying-MiG-engines-and-outdated-AA-missiles tempest in a teapot that the North Koreans had been unstinting in supplying Kalashnikovs while the USSR was going under. Maybe he skipped his meds that day or something, but still, a good yarn either way.
 

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The sources of supply of most leftist insurgencies in Central America in the 1980s--very particularly the FMLN in El Salvador--were complex. Salvadoran government forces backed by the U.S. reported finding many E. German MPiKM-72s, Yugoslav RPK automatic rifles, and a few, yes, North Korean Kalashnikovs. There is an old, oft-repeated story that the FMLN had U.S. M16s before the U.S.-backed Salvadorans... Supposedly U.S. weapons were transshipped from Ethiopia (where Cuban troops intervened vs. Somalia in 1977-1978) and Vietnam (captured ex-ARVN) and supplied in a few cases.

Somewhat oddly, the first really big supply of Kalashnikovs in Honduras came from Israeli captured weapons sold to the Contra counter-revolutionaries of Nicaragua...

Fidel tired of the Soviets almost immediately... Certainly he cost the USSR a great deal in terms of subsidized trade and so on. When Ronald Reagan became U.S. President and Alexander Haig was vowing to turn Cuba "into a f****** parking lot" when given the go-ahead, the Cubans again clamored for inclusion into the Warsaw Pact. Apparently ol' Raul--head of the MINFAR--was told point-blank by the Soviets that they were too far away and that realistically, should the civil wars in Central America become a regional conflagration, there was nothing the Soviets could or indeed, would do. Cuba's response was basically to create the so-called "Guerra de todo el Pueblo" doctrine: e.g. slavishly copy everything the Vietnamese PAVN did and create so-called "mass organization" including a militia and essentially declare a levee-en-masse should the need arise...

Interestingly, the post-USSR Russians maintained the signals intelligence station at Lourdes in Havana Province well into the 21st century. And the Russian navy, such as it is, has visited both Cuban and Venezuelan ports in recent years.
 

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[snip] After we have found all those early Chinese SKSs in Albania, anything is possible! [snip]

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That is because the communist dictator of Albania, Enver Hoxha, sided with China during the so-called Sino-Soviet split...

The Chinese Type 56 SKS rifles that turned up in Chiapas in 1994 apparently emanated from Dallas-Ft. Worth area gun-stores. Certainly Central America is awash with all kinds of weapons, and is a primary supply source for full-auto weapons and explosives in Mexico's drug war and so on.
 
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