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A few times I sit back and look at my Finn collection - it's far from "complete" by any stretch of imagination and will never be. But sometimes I also realize I don't have the same drive as I had just a few years ago. Not in the sense that I'm tired of them, or thinking of reducing my collection. I think it's more a collecting fatigue running after the stuff years on end.

But I have also noticed a some of the "hardcore" Finn collectors from years back have sort of dropped out - changed focus of collecting etc.
Not that it bothers me in any way, but when looking at the selling prices on the online auctions it seems like the prices have changed very little the last 5-6 years and in some cases even dropped a bit - you can still get a nich M28 for around $350. Lately I've actually picked up stuff that's been on the net at lower prices than I expected to pay 5-6 years ago (mind you - this is NO complaint ...I like getting things cheap). Yes I know the economy has an impact on what's being spent on "stuff" - but it also looks like there are fewer "new guys" joining our ranks - anyone else feel the same way ?

Collecting Mosins is also a bit different than other fields of collecting. There is still plenty of entry level type of guns - the refurbed 91/30's are still coming in and selling at prices many new and young collectors/shooters can afford. So it's a good "gateway" gun, and for some later on evolves into collecting the rare and expensive Mosin variations. I still feel that the interest in Finn Mosins still have "slumped" somewhat. Yes the hardcore group of old timers are still here, but I've also seen quite a few old collections appear on the market.

I think I'll always collect Finn's, because I have a very personal relationship or ties with Finnish "stuff" Like I mentioned even I have lost some of the intensity which I used to have ...maybe just getting older or running out of space - who knows. But what about YOU - where will you be in 5-10 years ? And am I out of touch of the Finn collecting reality ?

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Well you have new collectors (like me). I've started collecting Mosins within the last few months. After years of just collecting US firearms, then South American, Swedes, et cet. The Mosin bug bit hard and here I am. One thing I like is that there are few "Mosin Snobs", unlike Garand or carbine collecting, which seems to be populated by "Experts". An import marked cabine gets you laughed at, and lord help you if you have an incorrect trigger guard. A total mismatched counter-bored Finned Mosin can draw as much attention (and desire) as a minty unissued M39. Mosin City is a nice place where you don't have to worry about getting mugged.
 

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I'm always excited when we have new Mosin collectors joining our ranks - even though it also increases the competition :) I also collect a lot of other guns besides Mosin's and I have also noticed Mosin collectors in general are way less snobbish than what you can find among those who collect "real guns" (notice the slight sarcasm when I mentioned "real guns")

And even though my interest spans guns in general Mosin (especially Finn) will always be my "home"
 

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My collecting practices shift as holes in my collections fill. I counted 51 SKS's in my arsenal yesterday, and I can only see that number rising by less than a dozen in the future. The major holes are plugged in the collection, and only a few stragglers remain to have a fairly complete representation of the genre.

My Finn Mosin collection lacks in some major areas, though. An M24 or P-Series would really make my day, and there are plenty of particular years, arsenals and markings that could round out the collection.

But there will come a day, I'm sure, when the Finn Mosins, like the SKS's, will only be augmented sporadically. The nature of the beast.
 

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I have decent collections of Finn, Swiss, and US rifles, with a smattering of different flavors of Mausers. The Finns are my favorites.
I think prices on a lot of Mosins are held down by the refurbs, the 'oh, it's just a crappy old Mosin' thing. I love my Finns, but seems hard core Finn collectors are the only ones that love them as well. I've also worried in 15-20 years when I start to sell off, if there will be folks to buy them.
US guns seem to be the best for 'investment' collecting, the market is strong, and good pieces seem to sell fast for good money.
Thank goodness I don't do this for the money;)
 

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Over the years I have seen many collectors come and go here on the forum - Some had really nice collections, some items in those collections are now in my collection....;)

As my life has changed, so has my desire to collect many Finn items - I still want to add to my collection, but I will do so slowly, carefully as I am in no hurry.

The Finn imports of the late 1980s dried up long ago - Now we are picking up items in the secondary market & the pickens are slim/catch as catch can around here - I must say I have picked up more items from people contacting me on the forum, than I have found at shows or shops.

5 - 10 years from now? I will still be collecting, but will be upgrading what I have or still searching for the impossible to find items....

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. I love my Finns, but seems hard core Finn collectors are the only ones that love them as well. I've also worried in 15-20 years when I start to sell off, if there will be folks to buy them.
US guns seem to be the best for 'investment' collecting, the market is strong, and good pieces seem to sell fast for good money.
That's a though that struck me a few times too. Some of us collect or are interested in Finn's due to our connection with Finland etc. But sometimes I wondee if this is a niche area of collecting and it it's in some respects fueled by brilliant web sites as this, Mosin Nagant.net and a few others which have made research information and history easily available. Take away a large portion of those who contributes and shares their knowledge and information here, will the interest for Finns (and Mosin's) in general dwindle ? As many "real collector" has implied over the years, we collect "junk" :)

And I'm less concerend about it as an investement - though I don't like the prospect of my M27rv being impossible to sell at even close to todays going price, in 15 years :) I guess, could probably sell them back to Finland - unless they end up with draconian gun laws in the future :)

I've also found myself to drift away for a while and collect SMLE's, Martini Henry's, Nagant revolvers, guns related to specific conflict or so,such as the German occupation of Norway etc, and then I'll finish the circle and be right back to Finn's
 

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I don't see the avid collector interest dwindling significantly because of the "junk rifle" stigma. There is just way too much documented facts about these guns to easily brush aside their history in favor of another militarily historic firearm craze.

Wars are not the same, today. Nor, will military surplus boons be proliferate. And when/if the plastic AR-15's from the Middle East conflicts ever hit the market, they just won't have the same aura as a wooden clad gun, for a very long time at least.

The Finn-Junk-Rifle will always have a following.
 

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I sometimes get reflective about what I have and what I want to get and where they are going after I die and stuff like that. I have run out of room and have been selling duplicates off for over a year now. 6 safes full is far too many to take care of and fire from time to time. That is not to mention the security system mantanance and stuff like that too. My fire has long since gone away and with gas and food going up all the time I am strapped for spending cash and such. It is also hard to get high end stuff sold these days as people just are not able to spend money like they used to. For many years I have noticed people come and go in the hobby and think it just a natural thing and part of life.
Where am I going? Dang good question! I am not really sure these days as the political climate is not really conducive to collectors right now and until we rid ourselves of the trash in the government we will be subject to their idiocy I guess. I know all of you who can had better get out and vote tomorrow early and often as the powers to be say!
I am thinking of just taking a sabatical for a couple of years and then coming back and selling everything and flat getting out and away from the US for awhile. I think I am much deflated by our current course and frankly am looking for other lifestyles and governmental systems. Needless to say I am not looking for socialism and we seem to be heading right that way. After the election I will be making some big decisions and moves maybe? Bill
 

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The finn market, imo, is a very small niche of collectors, and it is not getting any bigger. The truth is we specialize in collecting rifles that are relatively cheap and in most instances still common . One only needs to compare the price escalations in finn mosins over the past ten years to the increase in prices for an average k98, garand, 1903, 1903a3, m1 carbine, enfield, etc over the same period to realize that we play in the cheapist end of the ww1 and ww2 surplus market and that the value of the product we collect appreciates in value at a much slower rate than everything else.. Even the rarest of the rare finn versions, in most instances , fails to approach half the average price of a m1 garand or 1903. The last unscoped finn snipers i watched move in the market sold for 350-400 dollars. They are some of the rarest sniper rifles in existence i. Sad but true.

Now that i have expressed my opinion, anybody wanting to sell me a nice finn rifle can contact me directly
 

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That's a though that struck me a few times too. Some of us collect or are interested in Finn's due to our connection with Finland etc. But sometimes I wondee if this is a niche area of collecting and it it's in some respects fueled by brilliant web sites as this, Mosin Nagant.net and a few others which have made research information and history easily available. Take away a large portion of those who contributes and shares their knowledge and information here, will the interest for Finns (and Mosin's) in general dwindle ? As many "real collector" has implied over the years, we collect "junk" :)
Speaking as someone who just got into the Milsurp land via C&R 6 months ago, I can definitely say that without web sites like this one, a Mosin Nagant is just one of millions of old WW2 rooskie rifles. Now 6 months later, countless hours researching on this web site alone, I"m up to 9 MN's and cant get enough. I love all the variants! I have no connection to Finland, I was born in Bellorussia and my family escaped in '79 when I was a kid. However, of all the MN variants out there, the Finn varieties just speak to me more and I have 2 now(M39 my 1st MN purchase and 91/30 Finned just won on a auction site Sat that I can't wait to get!).
My friends now ask me if those grease/goo covered Rooskie rifles sold at Fleet Farm and Dunhams are worth anything ? I tell them for the $$$ value, the Rooskie rifle can't be touched. Now they talk about getting one or two to try 'em out and I try to explain some of the neat arsenal markings on each rifle. There is just so much to talk about. Peaks everyone interest.
Honestly, I would say that interest in former "Eastern Front" weapons is only going to go up as the walls came down. Now people that would have never looked at a milsurp weapon are starting to talk about MN's, SKS's, various former EU pistols and ammo they would have never paid any attention to 10-20 years ago. I had a friend at work who bought a crate of AK ammo just cause it was neat and he doesn't own a gun that can fire it! And once their kids see what fun the 'rents are having... boom... next generation of collectors are hooked!
Either way I'm happy I got in late, but not that late to the milsurp feast and it's still affordable with more options than I know what to do with so collecting will go on for years. A Mosin Nagant is cheaper to buy than any Airsoft/Paintball gun - think about that...
 

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I bought my first Finn in 2006 from Dennis Kroh and have added another dozen since. There was a time when you could find a 28/30 online and have it sit for a few weeks because it wasn't a great bargain, but wasn't outrageously priced either. Finn accessories such as slings were much easier to come by as well. I find slings hard to come by now and harder to find intact models to add as they are bid above what I am willing to pay. I've thought the dynamic was the relative scarcity along with an increased collector base due to sites like this one. Even during tough economic times there will be willing buyers and I have no doubt the few rifles I have will appreciate in value.
 

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When I moved to the US and was able to start collecting Finn stuff at will, rather than being restricted by very strict gunlaws that I was used to from Norway, Dennis Kroh was among the first places I bought stuff from (at least online)
But it was sites as Gunboards and Mosin Nagant.net that had a major impact, in every aspect, on my collecting. Now suddenly I found answers to questions I hadn't been able to figure out for years. Written reference material was about non existent, except for The Rifle of the White Death and another book which was filled with a lot of - at best inaccurate information. I think many aspiring collector had soon lost interest for Mosins if it hadn't been for this and a few other sites :)
 

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My collecting has gone from the "I gotta have this one and I'll pay through the nose to get it" to the I am ready to buy but only when it is a "deal". Of course if a 27rv or cossack comes up I will probably pay through the nose for it. But my local gun shows and shops rarely have anything interesting and if they do they know what it is and want full retail. I am not paying $350 for a finn M91 or $275 for a finn captured 91/30 or $600 for an M91/30 sniper that "has been in a police department locker for 30 years". Of course I keep seeing the same guns over and over again that haven't sold but the price always stays the same. Luckily I have found a good source to get some deals where they don't know what they have and I am not telling. Have been able to pick up a couple of SCWs for a little over $100 and an M39 for $150. As long as I can keep finding those deals I will keep buying.
 

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I've filled a few holes in the last year, and am not really shopping hard for anything right now. I will continue to buy Finns that are cheap, are upgrades to my collection, or are just plain pretty!
I also love shooting them, had an m28 and an m39 out to the range yesterday, the guy with the scoped black rifle next to me got schooled! He had to come over to see what the h%^* I was shooting, and without a scope, no less.
I'm not Finnish, but am strangely drawn to these rifles...
 

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I'm not Finnish, but am strangely drawn to these rifles...
Well you just don't that you are a Finn ...at least in spirit ...lol

I too have become more selective - some stuff I buy just because it's cheap, and I'm usually not willing to stretch the budget unless it's to fill a "must fill hole" or something linked to Sortavala CG district, the Karelian Guards Regiment, Coast Artillery Regiment 3 or the cavalry.

It'll be interesting to see if the lesser availability of Finn's in the future will drive the prices up or the interest down. There are still a dealer or two who have some Finn's in stock from the large batches that were imported up through the 90's, but not for very much longer - and it'll be the second hand market that will be the source
 

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I started out my collecting with Finnish Mosin's. But as I branched out into Mausers, and then WWII arms in general, I re-evaluated what I wanted to keep. My Finnish Mosin collection now is focused on what were the most widely issued arms, and of those, just one example of each. I have passed on P-series, and many a mint unissued M91, rather keeping to the common, and used, models. I in no way have a collection filled with every possible example and variation, but I have the best representative pieces I could find. The only one that eludes me is a 28/30, and is currently the only Finn on my search list. I think that collecting surplus military arms in general will be very different in 5-10 years, much the same as compared to 5-10 years ago. Will that difference be good or bad? I can't say. I hope enough new people become interested in shooting and collecting to make this hobby continue to thrive.
 

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Bottom line?

I have only 15 Mosin Nagants...over half of them are Finnish...so...in terms of Mosin collecting, Finns will ALWAYS be my "go-to"...I love the history, the collectibility, the variations...and, I am 1/4th Finnish, so it seems appropriate too!!...


...For me...right now...I just need that elusive Finn'd Remington m91, dammit!...
 

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Well.. Let's just see...

Right now - it's hunting season in most of the USA.. so a LARGE number of shooters and collectors are tied up hunting.. and so is their money... Shoot - I had to go buy a freezer last week... There went a good chunk of budget right there....

Also - it seems like the run up to Christmas starting in mid November sees a lot of buying and selling activity.... but it REALLY slows down right after Christmas as everyone's paying off the bills...

Then... I think we are seeing more Older "collectors" starting to thin their herd - as they come to realize that no one in their family shares the same passion they do.... or that they just need some money for something else..... I think this is kinda along the lines of what Zeebill is saying... Perhaps we are seeing collectors thinning out some of the more "Boring" stuff for that 1 really special find that only hits the market 1x every 3 or 5 years...

I think the last thing is that the really uncommon stuff is probably far more likely to sell face to face - 1 collector to another - than it does show up online... I think there is a fear it won't reach it's full value online... as there are so many things a discerning collector is looking for that just can't be conveyed online...

The other side is that as time passes - there are fewer and fewer of these rifles on the market.. and prices go up... Think of Trapdoor springfields... How many barrels full of those were sold off for nothing... Shot, lost, broken, whatever... and now a totally clapped out, beat up example with a sewer pipe bore brings $600+... German Mausers for $35.00... Swede mausers for $50.00....

When I first got into Mosin collecting.. there were MANY people who bought them, shot them, never cleaned them, then just threw them away if they got too rusty or quit working right.... The general attitude was "Who cares - they are so cheap... I will just buy another one.." Prices are still going up....

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When I first got into Mosin collecting.. there were MANY people who bought them, shot them, never cleaned them, then just threw them away if they got too rusty or quit working right.... The general attitude was "Who cares - they are so cheap... I will just buy another one.." Prices are still going up....

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I've pondered on what the "attrition" rate of those Finn's imported to the US might be - how many met their demise through Bubba or otherwise just used up or mistreated to death. On the other hand - I think the number would be quite depressing to know :)
 
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