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Congressional aide says crashed jet lost power

SAN DIEGO – Both engines of a military jet fighter failed before the aircraft crashed and burned in a residential area, killing four people on the ground as it destroyed two houses, a congressional aide said Tuesday.

Investigators also found the remains of a fourth person in the rubble, a child 15 months old. Neighbors were in shock at the tragedy that befell the child's family Monday, hours after the father kissed his wife and baby goodbye in the driveway.

The twin-engine F/A-18D Hornet went down about two miles from Marine Corps Air Station Miramar.

No official initial finding of the cause of the crash was given, but a congressional aide who had been briefed on the crash said the pilot was trying to land at Miramar after his right engine malfunctioned. The aide spoke on condition of anonymity because the information was not yet public.

While the pilot was on final approach to the runway, the aircraft lost thrust from its left engine, and the pilot ejected, the aide said Tuesday.

The pilot ended up suspended by his parachute in a tree. He was being treated at a hospital.

Four people — a mother, her two young children and a grandmother — were killed in one house. One other home was destroyed, and three were damaged.

Fire Department spokesman Maurice Luque identified the child found Tuesday as 15-month-old Grace Yoon.

The family's pastor, the Rev. Kevin Lee of the Korean United Methodist Church, identified the other victims as Young Mi Yoon, Grace's mother, who was in her mid-30s; her 2-month-old daughter, Rachel; and her mother, Suk Im Kim, who had recently arrived from South Korea to help care for her daughter's newborn.

Neighbors said the family of Korean immigrants moved into the area about three months ago. Resident Choko McConnell, 85, a widow who lives down the street, said she often saw the grandmother pushing a child in a stroller.

"I cried all night," McConnell said. "A family perished, a young family."

Michael Rose, 44, said he often spoke with the family and had seen the father bid his wife and infant goodbye just hours before the crash.

"I thought, what a beautiful sight. And then later in the day, they were gone," Rose said.

Military aircraft frequently streak over the neighborhood, two miles from the base, but residents said the plane that crashed Monday was flying extremely low.

The pilot was in stable condition at a Navy hospital, said 1st Lt. Katheryn Putnam, a Miramar spokeswoman. He had been returning from training on the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln off the coast, she said.

Investigators will review information from a flight data recorder. There was no indication the pilot was using alcohol or drugs, Putnam said.

Dawn Lyons spoke to the pilot just after he landed in the tree.

"I saw an incredibly composed person," Lyons said. "He didn't have any scrapes or bruises. He was very lucid."

Rep. Duncan Hunter, who represents part of San Diego, requested that the Marine Corps provide maintenance records of the jet fighter to determine whether any other aircraft might have mechanical problems.

The Navy recently inspected hundreds of F/A-18 Hornets, built by Boeing Co., after discovering "fatigue cracks" on more than a dozen of them. The inspections looked for cracks in a hinge that connects the aileron — a flap that helps stabilize the jet in flight — to the wing.

The Navy announced last month it had grounded 10 of the $57 million fighters and placed flight restrictions on 20 more until repairs could be made.

The supersonic jet is widely used by the Marine Corps and Navy and by the stunt-flying Blue Angels. An F-18 crashed at Miramar — the setting for the movie "Top Gun" — in November 2006, and that pilot ejected safely.
 

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well... news stories tend to cover negative happenings... If he's interested in the military, it would make sense...

Or, maybe he enjoys tweaking you and amtraker
 

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If he's interested in the military, it would make sense...

Or, maybe he enjoys tweaking you and amtraker
And that's why I'm asking. It's a simple question. I'm not trying to imply anything. I'm just curious because I'm seeing a pattern.

Oh--and in answer to his question, I can't speak for the Great Santini, but any real jet fighter pilot who finds himself at low altitude with two dead engines has one option only: Eject. Powerless jet fighters don't glide.
 

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Tragic Accident......I'd love to know why BOTH engines failed....that's rare indeed.
I doubt there will be many substantial answers as to why this happened.....all the evidence is TOAST....
 

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Tragic Accident......I'd love to know why BOTH engines failed....that's rare indeed.

No, it's actually common if there's a catastrophic failure in one engine to have fragments of that destructing engine rip into the adjacent engine and knock it out too. Anything that shatters the turbines will do it, as will a powerful enough explosion.

And you'd be surprised what they can reconstruct from the burned pieces on the ground. The investigators usually know what they're looking for when they start.
 

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Why do I find myself suspecting (though with far too little information to be very comfortable) a possible alternative anser? To wit, a fuel problem. Mismanagement, faulty gauge so the guy thought he had more than was in fact on board, contamination, or some sort of mechanical failure in the delivery system would all seem potential probable causes. OR a catastrophic failure in one engine that damaged the other, of course, though the story only says "Engine malfunctioned" which covers a multitude of sins.
 

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OK, I have to ask... Why so many posts from you about the military, and always critical? What's up with that?
Because he's a wannabe and can't handle the fact that he never had the courage to sign up. Now, he claims that he's a "Critical Thinker" and knows more than people making policy/people on the ground. He's trying to justify a wasted life. Take a look at the posts in "Pentagon plans troop surge....." if there is any doubt. He managed to catch himself up in his own falsehoods that he ran away. Pathetic little tool.
 

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Because he's a wannabe and can't handle the fact that he never had the courage to sign up. Now, he claims that he's a "Critical Thinker" and knows more than people making policy/people on the ground. He's trying to justify a wasted life. Take a look at the posts in "Pentagon plans troop surge....." if there is any doubt. He managed to catch himself up in his own falsehoods that he ran away. Pathetic little tool.
And I thought he wanted to be a news reporter .
Seems to be a master of cut and paste ? Think it's called palagarisam .
life must be boring in the land of queers ?
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No, unfortunately he just manifests his psychological disorder on the net (a tragedy at best). I think the nearest he's ever been to what the pilot encountered in this situation was when he dropped a bag of Cheetos into the crack in his sofa.

As for the pilot, he now faces a crash board, possibly a board to determine his fitness to fly as well as the lifelong guilt of what happened to the folks on the ground. My prayers go out to the family that lost loved ones on the ground, as well as to the pilot's family.
 

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. He's trying to justify a wasted life. Take a look at the posts in "Pentagon plans troop surge....." .
Wasted life, huh? That's rich. I mean you're stuck in the suicide bombing capital of the world, and before that it was Kabul, Shit-hole of Asia.

Face it, you couldn't handle the desk job they gave you in 2003/2004 and you decided to call it quits. Now I'm not one to rag on the professional misfortune of another, like you have done to me about the time 20 years ago when I got laid-off, but you started it.

You're the one who's career dissapation light went into over-drive there pal when you ditched the Marines.

Just admit you can't bear the thought of working a normal job, once you left he military that is.

No thanks, you can have your training job-if that is what you actually do as you failed to tell us who you actually trained-and all the ducking under the desk everytime a car backfires that comes with it.

I wouldn't give $10 million for your job.

And you know you're next stop is Kabul with all the money they are pouring in that dump.

Wow, thank God I didn't make your mistake.
 

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Wasted life, huh? That's rich. I mean you're stuck in the suicide bombing capital of the world, and before that it was Kabul, Shit-hole of Asia.

Face it, you couldn't handle the desk job they gave you in 2003/2004 and you decided to call it quits. Now I'm not one to rag on the professional misfortune of another, like you have done to me about the time 20 years ago when I got laid-off, but you started it.

You're the one who's career dissapation light went into over-drive there pal when you ditched the Marines.

Just admit you can't bear the thought of working a normal job, once you left he military that is.

No thanks, you can have your training job-if that is what you actually do as you failed to tell us who you actually trained-and all the ducking under the desk everytime a car backfires that comes with it.

I wouldn't give $10 million for your job.

And you know you're next stop is Kabul with all the money they are pouring in that dump.

Wow, thank God I didn't make your mistake.
 

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Wasted life, huh? That's rich. I mean you're stuck in the suicide bombing capital of the world, and before that it was Kabul, Shit-hole of Asia.

Face it, you couldn't handle the desk job they gave you in 2003/2004 and you decided to call it quits. Now I'm not one to rag on the professional misfortune of another, like you have done to me about the time 20 years ago when I got laid-off, but you started it.

You're the one who's career dissapation light went into over-drive there pal when you ditched the Marines.

Just admit you can't bear the thought of working a normal job, once you left he military that is.

No thanks, you can have your training job-if that is what you actually do as you failed to tell us who you actually trained-and all the ducking under the desk everytime a car backfires that comes with it.

I wouldn't give $10 million for your job.

And you know you're next stop is Kabul with all the money they are pouring in that dump.

Wow, thank God I didn't make your mistake.
Wow, you really are coming apart at the seems aren't you? Okay, I'll play:

- 2003/2004 I was stationed in the Middle East. I retired in Jan 06. As for the desk job, I was asked to stay on as a GS but chose to change, unlike yourself who was fired.

- Yep, I sure did "Ditch" the Marines. They call it retirement and I now have a lifetime pension. What do you have to show sport?

- Funny, I've never had to duck under anything. Perhaps you're thinking of your times "taking people out" at the paintball range. lol.

- You couldn't have my job. Your resume wouldn't make it past the first screen. There are these things called qualifications, and you don't have them.

- Yep, I'll probably do Kabul again. There's this thing called marketability. Don't worry, it's something you apparently don't have.

Now for the question you haven't answered: You said you were accepted to ROTC at UNM in 1982. You said you graduated at 25, which would make it 1989. Now, you previously stated that you were laid off from the defense industry in 1989. How long did you work as an engineer? This almost sounds like one of those math questions from 6th Grade "If a train leaves..........."
 

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Hambone, more Ceiling Cat please.
 

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Wow, you really are coming apart at the seems aren't you? Okay, I'll play:

- 2003/2004 I was stationed in the Middle East. I retired in Jan 06. As for the desk job, I was asked to stay on as a GS but chose to change, unlike yourself who was fired.

- Yep, I sure did "Ditch" the Marines. They call it retirement and I now have a lifetime pension. What do you have to show sport?

- Funny, I've never had to duck under anything. Perhaps you're thinking of your times "taking people out" at the paintball range. lol.

- You couldn't have my job. Your resume wouldn't make it past the first screen. There are these things called qualifications, and you don't have them.

- Yep, I'll probably do Kabul again. There's this thing called marketability. Don't worry, it's something you apparently don't have.

Now for the question you haven't answered: You said you were accepted to ROTC at UNM in 1982. You said you graduated at 25, which would make it 1989. Now, you previously stated that you were laid off from the defense industry in 1989. How long did you work as an engineer? This almost sounds like one of those math questions from 6th Grade "If a train leaves..........."
Yup, you retired and went on to a secoNd career, and now we find that our injuneer has been laid off. I guess his talents were not enough to avoid joblessness.

No, Amtraker, he would not trade any of what he has done for all that you have accomplished. You have courage and foresight and intellect. He only wants to brings the less intelligent to his low level of accomplishment.

That is why he would confuse fiction with life. Sadly, most of the planes in the air now are completely dependant on computers and the engines to keep airborne. You lose and engine and its a mess, you lose both, you punch out. They have the glide ratio of a brick, so riding the plane down would only mean you have 5 fatalities instead of 4.

Simple, but not simple enough for the armchair warrior.
 

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Dammit! I never got my question answered! Would you guys back off of BRussell long enough for him to tell me why he's always posting about the military and dumping on them? I'm actually curious, here because it stands out so blatantly.
HFA, easy. The question was answered in a previous thread. He says that he was about to join ROTC at UNM in '82, but other things came up. Then, seven years later he wanted to pay off his degree, so he didn't join. I think over the years he has talked about joining, and people who have taken the step have asked him why not. He's muttered some excuse or another and been told what a tool he is. He'll never give you a straight answer.
 

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HFA, easy. The question was answered in a previous thread. He says that he was about to join ROTC at UNM in '82, but other things came up. Then, seven years later he wanted to pay off his degree, so he didn't join. I think over the years he has talked about joining, and people who have taken the step have asked him why not. He's muttered some excuse or another and been told what a tool he is. He'll never give you a straight answer.

Isn't that what the sad little speck has claimed all along? That it 'intended' to join? This is speck later in life. You want to see what speck is becoming, look at Chief YellowStreak. All intent, no spine.
 

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Wow guys.

I enjoyed seeing the article here as I only caught a quick blurb about the incident on the radio. Someone on the radio (a relative of a victim?) said they had no ill will towards the pilot.

BR, The Great Santini came to my mind as well. It was an automatic response and I had no conscious intent to impugn the pilot of this craft. I wonder now if the pilot had any control whatsoever over the craft after the engine failures prior to his ejection. I don't know, but I doubt it. With the avionics as they are today, the fighters generally fall like bricks and wouldn't be amendable to "gliding" out to a safe area for a crash. :confused:
 

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Look, from what I have heard, the pilot waited till the last moments before punching out....flying high performance jets is a job with a lot of hazards, stuff happens, even to the best maintained aircraft.

I'd say the bigger problem is the civilians building houses right up to the fences of military bases...especially in Kali for nee uh (in my best Arnold accent) they love the real estate values, but its a risk you have when you live near someplace like Miramar...
 
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