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Troops who escaped to Britain ( Dunkirk) were re-issued British SMLEs and Brens (.303)..Possibly Rifle No4 by the time Invasion of Europe came around.

Units in the Belgian Congo were using 7,65mm Belgian rifles.

After WW II, until resupplied with New FN Mausers in 30/06 (and SAFN also), .303 was the Standard calibre ( about 5 years).

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Troops who escaped to Britain ( Dunkirk) were re-issued British SMLEs and Brens (.303)..Possibly Rifle No4 by the time Invasion of Europe came around.

Units in the Belgian Congo were using 7,65mm Belgian rifles.

After WW II, until resupplied with New FN Mausers in 30/06 (and SAFN also), .303 was the Standard calibre ( about 5 years).

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Did the Europe based FBF still have the older 7.65mm Mausers and any German or US equipment?
 

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My guess ;)

At least this one, M1930 Belgian FN 8mm CARBINE in pre-1926 GEW98 stock (Pre-1926 due to the Kassel Depot cartouche on the underside of the pistol grip area). Hestal dated this one as 1936-40, and appears to be an arsenal rebuild…by who (?)…
 

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If you are referring to the belgian resistance movement during wwII, then the answer is they used anything they could get their hands on. Civilian firearms, belgian army weapons, German weapons, anything that could shoot.
Well organised groups with radio links to the allies in England were often supplied by air with guns and explosives. Most of these were English weapons: STENs, SMLE, BREN, ... Though there were instances when American weaponry was dropped; COLT 45 pistols and M3 greaseguns for example have been documented. After belgium was liberated some of these resistance groups joined the allies in their march into Germany, their armament depended on the unit they were paired with at the time.
After the war the resistance were ordered to hand in their weapons. Not many did.
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1940: Belgian Army Rifles, presumably cached: M189, M1916, M35 Mausers, M1930 Carbines, M189/36 and the Hotchkiss, Colt, and Maxim 08 Heavy Machine gun, in addition to the 1930 Browning Mod. 30 Light Machine Gun.
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The Belgian's got also a 1940 model made from brandnew parts by FN.They look a like with the model 35 but are made from the commercial line by FN and got the L of king Leopold on the receiver ...The 1935 model was made out of parts of German captured rifles from WW I they where made by the MAE (manufacture d'armes de l'etat) this was also written on the receiver.on the pick above a model 40 below the mod 35 made from german WWI parts.
 

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How numerous were the M1935 and 1936 rifles in the Belgian Army just before the Nazi invasion?
An old Weapon magazine AMI give this information;

The production (handmade!) of the 1935 model in the MAE (manufacture d'armes de l'etat) was about 120 guns on a day, before may 1940 (the invasion in Belgium) they talking about a production of 40 to 45.000 rifles.
The 1940 model ,made from the commercial lines by FN (Fabrique Nationale) have not passed about 20.000 rifles...
The model 36 ,the modified Belgian 1889 ,made by Pieper Herstal was made about 100.000 rifles but many go to the colonie's,never served in Belgium..
This rifle was made out of the old Belgian 1889 and some where also made out of a 300.000 Turkisch Mausers ( 1890,91,93 ) received in Belgium as a war pay after WWI.
The German Gewehr and carbine in Belgian property was a different story....
The Belgians ,Quick ,give up the German captured gewehrs 98 and Carbines in the early 1930,they used this rifles first in the orginal 7.92 caliber but later they modified the barrel and the rearsight for their own 7,65 mm catridge,but it was a faillure.
The model 35 brought a solution for those obsolete rifles ;the old 98 buttstocks where modified and also the 98 receiver and bolt (the old German stamps where removed) and they provided the gun also with a new barrel for the new 7,65 catridge with pointed bullet .
The model 40 was also a different story ; made out of the mod.1924/30 's ,it was provided with brandnew parts of the production line by FN for rifles from the commercial contract's for the far east and south America (Syria,Peru and China)
The buttstock and stamps on this rifles where new and on top of the receiver was the crown and the L of King Leopold III .
The bolt (dripform nut on the end and not round like German ones!) and receiver ressembled more the Belgian model 1951 and 1952 after WWII.
 

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Syria? Please tell us more.
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John


Late production FN 24/30 rifles for China but also in use in many other country's
This FN chrest on top of the receiver was found also on many late 1930 rifles for the middle east just before the outbreak of the War.
Syria and many other arab country's even the ones under the french protectorate seems to have an order for this rifle.....
In 1940 The Belgians use those rifles as a last ditch gun before they where overrun by the Germans....
An old man, long time a go, who was a Belgian soldier in the war , show me his rifle to me , i taught first he was fooling me because he was showing a commercial 24/30 with this FN chrest on top....
The man has been serving with a borderline unit, this units where old local soldiers under the command of the Belgian Gendarmerie protecting the border with France , its possible they give those orginal 24/30 guns to them....everything was possible on those days,Belgium got a big lack on good modern guns on those days......and in 18 days it was over , they where overrun by the Germans .........
Many from my regio here where the last to surrender they know this area very well ,taking advantage ,deserting their unit and burn their clothes and hiding or throw away their weapons.....they take on civilian clothes and hide for a while and later take up the usual civilian life...The Belgian army was defeated nobody know anymore who has really been a soldier, everyone keep his mouth shut.....much later they go in the resistance....
 

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During one of our lectures at the Virginia Gun Collectors Assoc. (VGCA.net) The FN rep. stated that during the war entire shipments of guns and ammo were miss shipped and delivered out of the Reich's hands. He knew of one shipment that was picked up by the SS and an hour later the real SS came to the factory to pick up the order. Even recently they had problems with the sewer and discovered it nearly plugged with small high-power parts.
 

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Troops who escaped to Britain ( Dunkirk) were re-issued British SMLEs and Brens (.303)..Possibly Rifle No4 by the time Invasion of Europe came around.

Units in the Belgian Congo were using 7,65mm Belgian rifles.

After WW II, until resupplied with New FN Mausers in 30/06 (and SAFN also), .303 was the Standard calibre ( about 5 years).

Doc AV
What about the Fusilier Battalions? SMLE or No4?
 
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