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What coin in M96s loaned to Denmark ?

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Research indicates that Sweden lent a buch of M96s to Denmark during the Russo-Finnish war.

It is said "that a Danish Siver coin was put in place of the brass disc".

I cannot find any reference to what coin was used. Looking at Danish silver coins, there are very few that are 30mm in diameter, issued before 1939.

Anybody know ?
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Ludwig Olsen's book is the only reference I've ever seen such a claim made on this subject. I've never seen one of these rifles with a Danish coin... I don't recall seeing one.

Perhaps 30 years ago at the Syracuse NY gunshow a man had an exhibition of every 94/96/38 you can imagine. One was a high condition M96 with a great yellow walnut mineral lined stock. It was flat new. It had the silver coin. The story was that it was an honor guard rifle for the Danish King. I didn't note the coin except that it had a man's head on it.
As far as general Mauser facts, Olson is about the best broad based reference out there, so I would not dismiss him because he is the "only one".
Heaven knows Brophy's book on the 1903 Springfield contains a lot of errors, but many still cling to it as the Standard Reference.

The 1900 Mauser M96 I have has an equally fine stock, albeit a bit darker. It has the brass disc but it is an incorrect aftermarket one.

There is no evidence that the Danes reproofed ever M96 loaner, so who knows ?
Research indicates that Sweden lent a buch of M96s to Denmark during the Russo-Finnish war.
Where is this research to be found? What does the indication tell??
A picture is always worth 1000 words.

Danish troops ........ note the rifles ...... hardly Krags ....... dare I say M96 Swedes ?

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Sorry, the military history is not my field. I know that Denmarks "FSR-shooters" had some m/96 on loan after WW2 when competing against Swedes. I am eager to learn and therefore willing to receive sources for the m/96 that Denmark got 1939-1940, as you mention. Maybe obvious to you and other more military-history interested.
Yes, pics always enjoyable. When, were and under what circumstances is the picture taken?
The picture shows danish troops trained in Sweden 1943 - 45. The danish brigade were made up of 5000 refugees, and were trained as light infantry. They were equipted with swedish weapons etc..
13000 Norwegians were trained in a similar fashion.

"Quantities of Swedish Mausers were smuggled into Denmark in 1944 for use by the Resistance. And after the war, the Swedes provided the Danish government with additional Mausers for the Home Guard."

Obviously a lot of unanswered questions still out there.

For now Olson is the most reputable author on the coin issue.
That makes of course more sence. I couldnt understand why Swedish m/96 would have gone to Denmark during the "Russo-Finnish war" as I understod that ment 1939-40. What happened 1944-45 is something I had more awareness of. The German occupation of Denmark is another story.
The official USMA history of the Russo-Finnish War casts some light on how M96s got to Finland:

"Except for matériel, the only foreign help received by the Finns was a force of 10,000 Swedish volunteers, who assisted in the operations around Salla. The majority of these volunteers had been released from military service by the Swedish Government.
The help given to Finland in war materials was considerable. Rifles, machine guns, antitank and antiaircraft weapons, artillery, ammunition, and planes were furnished by England, France, America, Italy, and Sweden. The United States Navy sent 40 pursuit planes, Sweden provided 37 planes of different types, and Italy furnished a number of bombers."

The "story" is that when the Swedes went home, they "forgot" all their weapons.

So it appears that the Danish 96s came in 44' to put Krauts under the permafrost rather than 39'-40' but there still were 96s killing Russians back then ...... what better use could they be put to ?
what better use could they be put to ?
I always thought sitting in my safe was pretty high on that list.;)

Interesting thread.
The swedish volunteer force also concisted of a large number of norwegians and danes. Here's some pics. from the Norwegian monthly Magazine "Bilder" (Pictures) from '39 - 40. First two shows norwegians ready to go to the front after basic training. The next is a swedish sergeant, leader of a "Death patrol". The last pic. shows danes with M96 's.

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Pretty neat photos ! Looks like M94 carbines on their backs in the 1st two photos .
International help to the finns during the Winter war:øtte_til_Finland_under_Vinterkrigen

The link is in Norwegian, but I ran it through Google translate. It should be readable.

International support to Finland during the Winter War

The Finnish resistance caused astonishment and admiration in many other countries , and most of the rest of the world supported the Finnish cause. WW2 had not begun in earnest yet and this period was known in the West as the Phony War . The Winter War was the dominant conflict in Europe in the period compared with the invasion of Poland in September 1939 , and was therefore much discussion abroad.

The Soviet attack could be many not justified and was therefore condemned by most countries and international organizations such as the League of Nations . Several foreign organizations sent material aid such as medicines , first aid and other supplies. Finnish immigrants in the United States and Canada returned home , and many volunteers (one of them the future actor Christopher Lee ) traveled to Finland to fight in Finland : 1010 Danes ( including Christian Frederik von Schalburgs , a captain in Christian X of Denmark's bodyguards and later supreme Ehrhardt Denmark) , 895 Norwegians , 372 bikes, 346 exiles find , 366 Hungarians [1 ] and 210 other volunteers of other nationalities made ​​it to Finland before the war was over. Foreign correspondents in Helsinki wrote about Finns cunning and success in battle, although much of this was exaggerated.

Pope Pius XII condemned the Soviet attack on 26 December 1939 , in a speech at the Vatican and later donated a signed and sealed prayer on behalf of Finland.


In Denmark provoked the war a very sympathy for the Finns . 1010 Danish volunteers under Colonel V. Tretow - Loof was sent to Finland and got training in Oulu . The Danish volunteers were not yet finished With the training when the Treaty entered into force on 13 March 1940. Among the volunteers was Captain Christian Frederik von Schalburgs , which originally served in Christian X of Denmark's bodyguard and later supreme Ehrhardt Denmark.

At least 15 Danish pilots serving in Lentorykmentti 19, who was a Swedish unit that served in Finland. By war's end had five Danish pilots have been killed in combat . [3 ]

The Danish government also sold 178 20 mm Madsen anti-aircraft guns , and ammunition were ordered from the UK. There was also collected backpacks , canned food and other supplies to support Finland's case.

Estonia Estonia [edit source ]

On 28 September 1939 , Estonia was forced by the Soviet Union signed a joint defense and assistance pact, which meant that they were forced to allow Soviet troops, air bases and military ports in their territory . When Finland was invaded by the Soviet Union because the Finns had refused to sign the same agreement , it was natural that in Estonia, a country with a strong cultural connection to Finland, that the people had the strongest feelings of solidarity for the Finnish case.

Most of the Estonian volunteers came to Finland by ski across the frozen Gulf of Finland . Some of the Estonian volunteers were incorporated into Sisu unit ( Osasto Sisu , Os.S ) , which was responsible for the retraining of foreign volunteers. The unit was established on 8th January 1940 and 56 Estonians joined the following day. When the peace agreement came into force on 13 March 1940 , the unit was still in the process of rehabilitation of volunteers in Lapua , where Estonians were the most numerous nationality .

In addition to Osasto Sisu fought about 200 Estonian volunteers at the front and at least one was killed in battle. After the Winter War the majority chose to remain in Finland because of the Soviet Union's presence in Estonia, and those who chose to return home was imprisoned and sent to Soviet prison camps . Former military chief of the Estonian Army , General Johan Leidoner , was one of those arrested and murdered by the Soviet Union after their annexation of the Baltic states in June 1940. [4 ]

Italy Italy [edit source ]

150 Italian volunteers traveled to Finland to fight the Russians. Among them was the pilot Sergeant Diego Manzocchi , who died of his wounds after an emergency landing on 11 March 1940. , He was shot in the chest during a dogfight, but tried anyway to fly their valuable FIAT G.50 back to LLv.26s airbase on a frozen sea ​​at Haukkajärvi close airbase in Utti . Because of massive blood shortage , he had an emergency landing west of Utti , after which the plane crashed. He was found alive six hours later , but died shortly after.

Italy also sold a larger quantity of weapons and ammunition to Finland while the war was ongoing , including 6,000 guns , 100,000 rifles with 50 million cartridges, 176 flamethrowers (only 28 reached , while the remaining 148 remained in Norway ), 150 mines, 100 81 mm mortars with 75,000 grenades , 48 Breda 20 mm anti-aircraft guns with 384,000 shots, Dec. 47 mm antitank guns with 25,000 shoots, Dec. 76 mm anti-aircraft guns with 24 000 shots and 35 45 cm torpedoes .

35 Fiat G.50 fighters to be sent to Finland, but only 17 reached on 27 February 1940. 20 tractors were also sold , and five torpedo boats were sold to Finland, but never reached .

Norway Norway [edit source ]

In Norway provoked the war a very sympathy for the Finns . Besides the 895 Norwegian volunteers who served in the Swedish Frivilligkåren in Finland , among them the later members of the Resistance Max Manus and Leif " Shetland " Larsen , was also started gathering money and supplies around in Norway to support the Finnish case .

This included a special Finnish day held in Holmenkollen in Oslo to collect money for the Finns . [ 5 ] In every subject was collected 50,000 pairs of shoes , 100,000 backpacks filled with supplies ( such as food, tobacco , gloves , mitts , scarves or other gifts ) [6 ] and 16,000 blankets were sent to Finland. Collection of rifles (mostly Krag - Jørgensen rifles ) and home knitted shootinggloves took place . The Norwegian author and Nobel Prize winner Sigrid Undset donated her Nobel Prize to Finland on 25 January 1940. [7 ]

The Norwegian government donated in Secret 12 German -manufactured 7.5 cm m/01 field guns [ 8] ( named 75 K 01 in Finnish service) and 7,166 artillery shells in February 1940. [9 ] [10 ] Norway also allowed the transfer of aircraft to Finland via Sola Air Base near Stavanger . [11 ] [12 ] Norwegian volunteers also helped to assemble some of the planes at the Saab factory in Trollhättan. [11 ] 200 000 kg tin , harnesses , saddles , etc. were also sent to Finland.

On February 6, 1940, over 1,000 Finnish refugees from Petsamo crossed into Finnmark. [13 ] When the Red Army were advancing through the weakly defended area searched Finnish civilians fleeing on the Norwegian side of the Pasvik River ( Paatsjoki in Finnish and Báhčeveaijohka in Sami ) . Finnish soldiers of the Laplandsgroup ( Lapin Ryhmä ) that were cut off from their units went across the border in Finnmark , where they were disarmed and transported south to Hegra fortress in mid Norway , where they were detained . The detainees were released and returned in the winter 1939-1940 . [ 14]

Sweden Sweden [edit source ]

Sweden, which had declared itself as a non - belligerent nation as opposed to declare themselves neutral (as in the war between Germany and the Allies ) , supported Finland's case by sending military supplies , money, credit, humanitarian aid , and about 8 700 Swedish volunteers prepared himself to fight on the Finnish side.

Most significant was the airfoil 19 (in Finnish Lentorykmentti LentoR 19 or 19, in Swedish F 19), stationed in Finland as of 7 January 1940 , with 12 Gloster Gladiator Mk . In fighters, five Hawker Hart bombers and eight other planes , corresponding to one third of the Swedish flying weapons at the time. Volunteer pilots and mechanics were drawn from the Swedish Air Force . In March would force reinforced with five Junkers Ju -86 bomber. On 11 March, the aircraft stationed in the Swedish town of Boden with all preparations complete, but peace on 13 March prevented the inauguration .

The famous aviator Count Carl Gustaf von Rosen, nephew of Carin Göring , Hermann Göring's first wife , joined also volunteered to fight for Finland. There was also a volunteer workforce, which consisted of about 900 workers and engineers.

It Svenska Frivilligkåren with 9640 men , of whom 8,402 of them were Swedes - the only volunteers who had completed military training before the war ended - began to replace five Finnish battalions at Märkäjärvi in mid-February . Along with the three remaining Finnish battalions , the corps stood over two Soviet divisions and were in the process of preparing an attack in mid-March , but was interrupted by the peace agreement. 33 men were killed in battle, among them the commander of the I. combat group , Lieutenant Colonel Magnus Dyrssen .

Volunteer Corps is one of the sources of the discrepancy between Finns and Swedes. The debate among the population of Finland was in the years before the Winter War provided the Finns hope that Sweden would support giving Finland massive military support , which could affect the outcome of the war significantly - or possibly prevent the Russians head to attack Finland.

After this, the help from the volunteers , the Scandinavian in particular, appreciated by the Finns . This was proved during the German campaign in Norway in April 1940 when a Finnish group of volunteers created an ambulance unit and helped the defenders until they were forced to return to Finland due to the German victory. A group of Swedish and Finnish volunteers fought alongside Norwegian soldiers and shooting guys against the Germans by Os on 2 May 1940.

Sweden also sent large quantities of artillery , ammunition and other weapons to the Finns . In January 1940, Aug. 75 mm field guns sent to the Finns , and in February, another 48 copies, with 27,000 shells sent to the Finns . Besides, it was sent 77,000 rifles with 17 million cartridges , 100 machine guns , 18:37 Pansarvärnskanon mm M/34 ( named 37 PstK/36 in Finnish service) , 76 40 mm Bofors anti-aircraft guns with 144,000 shots and 9,150 mm howitzers 4 000 grenades. 8 trainer and 8 obsolete bombers were also sold to Finland.

Hungary Hungary [edit source ]

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Unites [edit source ]

The United States was the first foreign superpower officially reacted to the Soviet attack on Finland. Already on the first day of the war they offered to mediate , an offer that Finland received with gratitude, but the Soviet Union refused immediately.

About 350 Americans , mostly of Finnish descent, chose to travel to Finland to fight as volunteers. They were trained in Oulu, and a device called the Finnish -American Legion ( Amerikansuomalainen legioona ASL ) was created, consisting of two companies. One of the companies reached the front on March 12 , to take over a stretch of trenches on March 13 , but the order was canceled following the peace agreement came into force the same day. A group of about 30 men were deployed at the front in December , and suffered some losses in combat against the Russians.

USA also sent aid in the form of materials. 44 Brewster F2A fighters were sent to Finland, but only a few reached during the Winter War . The rest , however, would be used in the continuation war ( 1941-1944 ) and the Lapland War ( 1944-1945 ) . It was also sent 32 howitzers of 203 mm calibres (which ended up in Norway after the war ) and 200 field guns of caliber 75 mm.

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Belgium Belgium [edit source ]

Belgium sold a large quantity of weapons and ammunition to Finland while the war was ongoing , including 700 rifles with 10,000 cartridges, 2,456 guns of caliber 9 mm with 11 million cartridges and 5,000 guns of caliber 7.62 mm with 1.08 million cartridges .

France France [edit source ]

France sold a large quantity of weapons and ammunition to Finland while the war was ongoing , including 5,000 rifles with 11 million cartridges, 20,000 hand grenades , 40 25mm SA -L Mle . 1,937 antitank guns with 25,000 shots ( named 25 PstK/37 in Finnish service) , 100 81 mm mortars with 200,000 grenades , 12 105 mm field guns with 54,000 grenades and 12 155mm Schneider howitzers with 12,000 grenades.

150 radios and 12 tractors were also sent to Finland and 76 Morane - Saulnier MS406 and Kolhoven fighters.

France also sold 36 75 mm field guns with 50,000 grenades ( only 12 reached ) and 10 47 mm anti-tank guns with 5000 shots, but never reached .

United Kingdom [edit source ]

When the war ended 13 March 1940 there were only 13 British volunteers in Finland, but many more had signed up , including 214 Britons who arrived Lapua a week after the peace agreement. It was a further 750 volunteers waiting to be transported to Finland, but was never sent off as a result of the peace agreement . Brita stationed in Lapua represented the British kompamiet of Sisu device. Together with the British were also volunteers of other nationalities including Irish , Portuguese and at least one ester .

According to the original British plan was all the British volunteers subjected to a unit under the command of Colonel Kermit Roosevelt, son of former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt.

The British sold or donated weapons and ammunition to Finland while the war was ongoing , including 20 million rifle cartridges, 10 million gunshots , 40,000 hand grenades , 200 14mm Boys anti-tank rifles , 00:13 mm antiaircraft guns with 72,000 shots, 18:40 mm Bofors anti-aircraft guns with 36 000 shots, 24 76 mm 72 000 shots, 25 114 mm howitzers with 25,000 grenades , 12 152 mm mobile coastal batteries , 450 mines and 28 tractors and 30 84 mm field guns .

50,000 sympathy uniforms , bombs , field kitchens , tents , communications equipment were also sent to Finland. The 50,000 sympathy uniforms could not be used in combat as they much resembled the Russian brown uniforms, but whatever was received with joy.

33 Gloster Gladiator and 12 Hurricane fighters, 17 Lysander reconnaissance aircraft , 24 Blenheim bombers and four torpedo boats were also donated to Finland, but torpedo boats never reached .

South Africa South Africa [edit source ]

25 Gloster Gladiator fighters were donated to the fins.

The Third Reich Germany [edit source ]

As a result of the Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact Germany could not engage on the Finnish side. But since it internally in Germany was great sympathies with the Finnish case , as they had helped in previous conflicts, decided Germans with Herman Göring at the forefront of selling weapons to Finland , ranging from small arms to anti-aircraft guns . The weapons were sold to Sweden as the ship continued to Finland , not to act dirk real with Finland.
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For now Olson is the most reputable author on the coin issue.
I dont know anything about this Olson.....what does he has to say about the "coin-issue"? Guess we need his sources together with maybe pics or existing examples to support the coin-theory. Isnt any danish members around that can shed some light on this?? Otherwise more likely a fairytale until proven to be reality. Have seen a lot of different solutions to fill up the brass disc cutout but almost all of them more like a "one-of-a kind" thing performed by a private owner of the weapon......
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