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I just scored an 1870 Vetterli carbine and it sure looks like it would recoil with standard ammo... Was lighter loaded ammo originally issued for these?

Also - what's the going money for bayonets... when they can be found? SW
 

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Be a man!

No seriously, I don't know if the original carbine ammo was downloaded. I have shot with 50gr Swiss #2 which is stout, so I'm going to start downloading, I'm only shooting at 50m.

I found my bayonet in an auction in Italy thanks to another board member, still set me back a few hundred euro so be prepared! Luckily the carbine itself was cheap. Do you have the folding cleaning rod?
 

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Fabian,

I don't have the carbine in hand yet so I don't know. I assume it's not there. Real BP is somewhat hard to find in the wilds of Nebr so I use AA 5744 and the dedicated bullet mold from RCBS.

I will be holding onto my hat about the bayonet price. :eek: I've a friend in Holland who may check the Euro sites for me. SW
 

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5th Dragoons,

There is an article on the Italian Vetterli Moschetto published by 'The Gun Report' which covered the cartridge and shooting.

Hope this is of some help.

Guy and Leonard A-R-West

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Speaking of articles, do you know where I can get the Vetterli book that the British Museum published. When I went to order it, it was no longer on the site.
 

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Vetterli Moschetto

Gentlemen,

For those interested in the Vetterli Moschetto some information extracted from our work:-

On October 22nd 1871, the minister of the War, general Caesar Ricotti-Magnani signed the decree to adopt the cartridges for rifles and carbines, Modello 1870. With the adoption of a lightweight carbine, a less powerful cartridge had to be introduced. The consequence was a reduced charged version of the full-power rifle cartridge to minimize muzzle flash and blast in a short length barrel, resulting in a muzzle velocity loss from 464.8m/s, to 410m/s. The issue of a short barrelled weapon meant that with the different cartridge, it inevitably made logistics during the time of conflict more difficult.

The first Modello 1870 Pallottola was almost a direct copy of the Swiss heeled-base Geshoss Projectile Mod. 1871, featuring a hemispherical cavity or hollow in the base to move the centre of gravity forward and to aid base expansion, it was made from swaged lead hardened with antimony. There are four cannelures in which two are exposed, the widest at the base, and the bullet is seated to a depth of 8mm. On reducing the case neck to 11.1mm diameter to secure the seated bullet, the two lower bands are reduced in diameter to 10.35mm, giving in cross-section, the effect of a heeled-base bullet.


Powder weight, Moschetto:................... 3.5gm.
Service velocity - Moschetto:................ 410m/s @ 25m from muzzle.


Attachment shows a Moschetto chambering a reduced carbine cartridge being evaluated with its bayonet fixed.

We hope this is of use.

Guy and Leonard
 

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