What a storm in a teacup!
The Report by 1886lebel is the definitive explanation of the history of the Turkish Orman carbines. With one addition:
The "N" mark is also found UNDER the metal shroud on the Barrel Shank!
Any Orman ( I suspect all) with an "N" mark ( post-1932 Berthier) will have originated from the Iraqi rebel Shipment ( Railway line passing thru Turkish Territory) or as suggested, Vichy troops exiting Syria to be interned in Turkey.( Both events 1940-41).
Even if Receiver is scrubbed of "N", LOOK under Metal Shroud.
All Post 1932 Modified French Berthiers have a Receiver AND Barrel "N" marking.
As the Gallipoli, Greco-Turkish, and Independance War Berthiers are Pre- 1932 booty, not likely converted as Not suitable for "N"
Ammunition...besides, with the seizure of the "N" rifle shipments in 1941, several million rounds of M1932N ammo seized as well.
With Turkey's republican policy of aiding other Middle Eastern states with military aid, countries such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and even Ethiopia would have received WWI era French Rifles, as did Afghanistan received Mosin Nagants.( German Booty to Turkey, Lenin's Border settlement re. Armenia.).
So look carefully for the "N" mark.
DocAV.
The Report by 1886lebel is the definitive explanation of the history of the Turkish Orman carbines. With one addition:
The "N" mark is also found UNDER the metal shroud on the Barrel Shank!
Any Orman ( I suspect all) with an "N" mark ( post-1932 Berthier) will have originated from the Iraqi rebel Shipment ( Railway line passing thru Turkish Territory) or as suggested, Vichy troops exiting Syria to be interned in Turkey.( Both events 1940-41).
Even if Receiver is scrubbed of "N", LOOK under Metal Shroud.
All Post 1932 Modified French Berthiers have a Receiver AND Barrel "N" marking.
As the Gallipoli, Greco-Turkish, and Independance War Berthiers are Pre- 1932 booty, not likely converted as Not suitable for "N"
Ammunition...besides, with the seizure of the "N" rifle shipments in 1941, several million rounds of M1932N ammo seized as well.
With Turkey's republican policy of aiding other Middle Eastern states with military aid, countries such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and even Ethiopia would have received WWI era French Rifles, as did Afghanistan received Mosin Nagants.( German Booty to Turkey, Lenin's Border settlement re. Armenia.).
So look carefully for the "N" mark.
DocAV.