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Tromboncino M 91/28
Antonio
Posted - 11/05/2006 : 12:26:39 PM
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I hope you can help me with some information. I am putting together an article on the Tromboncino and I am looking for information on the live grenade. I have a drawing of the practice grenade along with dimensions from the 1st edtion of IL 91, but cannot find any photos of the live one. I have taken a photo looking into the barrrel of the launcher and you can see the plug that screws into the combustion chamber. I would assume that the live grenade has a hollow center that would fit over this plug. I have made inert practice grenades out of PVC pipe and have launched them using 7.62x39 blanks. Great fun and always draws a crowd. I remove the plug when shooting them as it allows the grenade to fit lower into the tube. Any help would be great.
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Antonio
Posted - 11/10/2006 : 7:36:14 PM
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Hi Guys,Please help me. If anyone has any info about the Tromboncino please point me in the right direction. I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 03:08:52 AM
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Hi; I would think that most of the Italian Military rifle collectors in the US have never see a launcher much less the round. Perhaps in a military museaum in Italy? Maybe in a a Italian book?
Closest thing I got is a 7.35 carbine that had one and they fitted wood inserts back into the cutouts in the stock. That one has a round barrel at the chamber and a little knotch forward of it for the launcher. I'm thinking that your launcher is mounted more to the rear than on my fixed sight type.
gianluca1962
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 04:18:16 AM
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You can find goodphotoes at http://www.il91.it/Sito/Fucili1891/91-28tromboncino/Dettagli28Tromb/TromboncinoM28.htm
but unfortunately nothing re.: the live granade
WaPrüf2
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 12:01:15 AM
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Maybe somebody on the ordnance forum can help. The question has bugged me for years, ever since I first saw one of the rigs.
Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 10:04:24 AM
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Hi; Wasn't there a later model that goes on the M38? Looks like this model 28 goes on a TS. Doug
Antonio
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 6:54:58 PM
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Mine is a Terni made in 1929. The numbers on the Launcher match the serial number of the Gun. The barrel on the rifle is in great shape almost mint. It is funny that I have never shot the rifle but have launched several Grenades.
I also have a Cav Carbine that the stock is cut for the launcher and the notch is also cut in a different location. I have never even seen a picture of one mounted on a cav carbine.
Another interesting thing I found out from the translation of the instructor manual is that they were supposed to use a regular 6.5 round and not a blank round. The bullet is supposed to be captured in the "Combustion Chamber" and the gasses are released through 4 holes and that is what propels the grenade. The bullet is then supposed to just drop out of the chamber when the bolt is opened. I, however have not found the Intestinal fortitude to try it. The Manual also says that if a bullet becomes jammed in the combustion chamber than the plug can be unscrewed and a rod can be used to dislodge it. I don't know if this is correct but is seems a bit strange. There are 4 holes in the chamber and a live 6.5 round does fit in it so things do add up but I am not going to risk trying it. On another note a friend of mine was on a battlefield tour in Russia and said he saw a TS and Launcer in a museum there so they must have seen some action. Any help anyone can offer regarding this would be appreciated.
Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 7:22:09 PM
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Hi; Way smarter and more modern that having a exclusive grenade launching round. It seems you never have the special one when you need it. Doug
Antonio
Posted - 11/16/2006 : 10:36:47 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. The quest continues
Posted - 11/05/2006 : 12:26:39 PM
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I hope you can help me with some information. I am putting together an article on the Tromboncino and I am looking for information on the live grenade. I have a drawing of the practice grenade along with dimensions from the 1st edtion of IL 91, but cannot find any photos of the live one. I have taken a photo looking into the barrrel of the launcher and you can see the plug that screws into the combustion chamber. I would assume that the live grenade has a hollow center that would fit over this plug. I have made inert practice grenades out of PVC pipe and have launched them using 7.62x39 blanks. Great fun and always draws a crowd. I remove the plug when shooting them as it allows the grenade to fit lower into the tube. Any help would be great.
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Antonio
Posted - 11/10/2006 : 7:36:14 PM
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Hi Guys,Please help me. If anyone has any info about the Tromboncino please point me in the right direction. I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 03:08:52 AM
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Hi; I would think that most of the Italian Military rifle collectors in the US have never see a launcher much less the round. Perhaps in a military museaum in Italy? Maybe in a a Italian book?
Closest thing I got is a 7.35 carbine that had one and they fitted wood inserts back into the cutouts in the stock. That one has a round barrel at the chamber and a little knotch forward of it for the launcher. I'm thinking that your launcher is mounted more to the rear than on my fixed sight type.
gianluca1962
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 04:18:16 AM
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You can find goodphotoes at http://www.il91.it/Sito/Fucili1891/91-28tromboncino/Dettagli28Tromb/TromboncinoM28.htm
but unfortunately nothing re.: the live granade
WaPrüf2
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 12:01:15 AM
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Maybe somebody on the ordnance forum can help. The question has bugged me for years, ever since I first saw one of the rigs.
Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 10:04:24 AM
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Hi; Wasn't there a later model that goes on the M38? Looks like this model 28 goes on a TS. Doug
Antonio
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 6:54:58 PM
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Mine is a Terni made in 1929. The numbers on the Launcher match the serial number of the Gun. The barrel on the rifle is in great shape almost mint. It is funny that I have never shot the rifle but have launched several Grenades.
I also have a Cav Carbine that the stock is cut for the launcher and the notch is also cut in a different location. I have never even seen a picture of one mounted on a cav carbine.
Another interesting thing I found out from the translation of the instructor manual is that they were supposed to use a regular 6.5 round and not a blank round. The bullet is supposed to be captured in the "Combustion Chamber" and the gasses are released through 4 holes and that is what propels the grenade. The bullet is then supposed to just drop out of the chamber when the bolt is opened. I, however have not found the Intestinal fortitude to try it. The Manual also says that if a bullet becomes jammed in the combustion chamber than the plug can be unscrewed and a rod can be used to dislodge it. I don't know if this is correct but is seems a bit strange. There are 4 holes in the chamber and a live 6.5 round does fit in it so things do add up but I am not going to risk trying it. On another note a friend of mine was on a battlefield tour in Russia and said he saw a TS and Launcer in a museum there so they must have seen some action. Any help anyone can offer regarding this would be appreciated.
Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 7:22:09 PM
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Hi; Way smarter and more modern that having a exclusive grenade launching round. It seems you never have the special one when you need it. Doug
Antonio
Posted - 11/16/2006 : 10:36:47 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. The quest continues
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