Tromboncino M 91/28

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Carcano

Discussion Starter · Oct 20, 2007

Antonio
Posted - 11/05/2006 : 12:26:39 PM
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I hope you can help me with some information. I am putting together an article on the Tromboncino and I am looking for information on the live grenade. I have a drawing of the practice grenade along with dimensions from the 1st edtion of IL 91, but cannot find any photos of the live one. I have taken a photo looking into the barrrel of the launcher and you can see the plug that screws into the combustion chamber. I would assume that the live grenade has a hollow center that would fit over this plug. I have made inert practice grenades out of PVC pipe and have launched them using 7.62x39 blanks. Great fun and always draws a crowd. I remove the plug when shooting them as it allows the grenade to fit lower into the tube. Any help would be great.

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Antonio
Posted - 11/10/2006 : 7:36:14 PM
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Hi Guys,Please help me. If anyone has any info about the Tromboncino please point me in the right direction. I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 03:08:52 AM
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Hi; I would think that most of the Italian Military rifle collectors in the US have never see a launcher much less the round. Perhaps in a military museaum in Italy? Maybe in a a Italian book?

Closest thing I got is a 7.35 carbine that had one and they fitted wood inserts back into the cutouts in the stock. That one has a round barrel at the chamber and a little knotch forward of it for the launcher. I'm thinking that your launcher is mounted more to the rear than on my fixed sight type.

gianluca1962
Posted - 11/11/2006 : 04:18:16 AM
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You can find goodphotoes at http://www.il91.it/Sito/Fucili1891/91-28tromboncino/Dettagli28Tromb/TromboncinoM28.htm
but unfortunately nothing re.: the live granade

WaPrüf2
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 12:01:15 AM
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Maybe somebody on the ordnance forum can help. The question has bugged me for years, ever since I first saw one of the rigs.

Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 10:04:24 AM
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Hi; Wasn't there a later model that goes on the M38? Looks like this model 28 goes on a TS. Doug

Antonio
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 6:54:58 PM
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Mine is a Terni made in 1929. The numbers on the Launcher match the serial number of the Gun. The barrel on the rifle is in great shape almost mint. It is funny that I have never shot the rifle but have launched several Grenades.
I also have a Cav Carbine that the stock is cut for the launcher and the notch is also cut in a different location. I have never even seen a picture of one mounted on a cav carbine.

Another interesting thing I found out from the translation of the instructor manual is that they were supposed to use a regular 6.5 round and not a blank round. The bullet is supposed to be captured in the "Combustion Chamber" and the gasses are released through 4 holes and that is what propels the grenade. The bullet is then supposed to just drop out of the chamber when the bolt is opened. I, however have not found the Intestinal fortitude to try it. The Manual also says that if a bullet becomes jammed in the combustion chamber than the plug can be unscrewed and a rod can be used to dislodge it. I don't know if this is correct but is seems a bit strange. There are 4 holes in the chamber and a live 6.5 round does fit in it so things do add up but I am not going to risk trying it. On another note a friend of mine was on a battlefield tour in Russia and said he saw a TS and Launcer in a museum there so they must have seen some action. Any help anyone can offer regarding this would be appreciated.

Douglas I. Kerley
Posted - 11/12/2006 : 7:22:09 PM
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Hi; Way smarter and more modern that having a exclusive grenade launching round. It seems you never have the special one when you need it. Doug

Antonio
Posted - 11/16/2006 : 10:36:47 PM
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Thanks for the help guys. The quest continues

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Carcano

Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 21, 2007

Antonio
Posted - 12/31/2006 : 6:09:52 PM
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Thanks for the help. I did find the correct Grenade for the Tromboncino it is called the S.R.2. A Gentleman from another forum was a great help. If anyone has a Photo of the S.R.2 I would love to see it. The Grenade looks like a smaller version of the Brixia Mortar

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Carcano

Discussion Starter · #4 · Oct 24, 2007

Article in '"Small Arms Review'"

John Sukey
Posted - 05/31/2007 : 8:11:03 PM
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About the Tromboncino Model 28 (grenade launcher) for the carcano carbine.

Antonio
Posted - 06/01/2007 : 11:51:55 PM
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Yes John. I wrote the article and am pleased with the outcome. I obtained alot of info for it on this forum and from the Commando Supremo forum. The editor did cut it a bit for space limitations and I did have other photos I would have like to seen included but that is the way things go. I want to thank the members of this forum for all the help.

breakeyp
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 6:48:50 PM
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I enjoyed the article very much. One one question, please. The article referenced importation of 14 into the US. Is that the definitve number or do you expect that more were brought in at other times? I have one of them and had an extra grenade launcher but Doss White talked me out of it. So with the two shown in the article and the two I am familiar with, are there ten more out there? thank you.

Antonio
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 11:26:24 PM
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That is the number on the list that I have. I have the serial numbers of the ones imported. If you want to PM me I can tell you if your number is on the list. I do not know of any other imports. But more may have come in. I would be very interested. Thanks

Richard in NY
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 1:21:24 PM
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Originally posted by Antonio
That is the number on the list that I have. I have the serial numbers of the ones imported. If you want to PM me I can tell you if your number is on the list. I do not know of any other imports. But more may have come in. I would be very interested. Thanks

Antonio:

I really enjoyed your article. Great job!

Can you post those additional photos here on this forum? Also, please post the serial number list.

The only one of these facsinating rifles I have seen is on display at the West Point museum. I'll post photos when I find them somewhere on my harddrive.

Antonio
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 11:42:41 PM
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I am trying to locate the disc I put the photos on, as I promised someone else a copy too. I misplaced it but when I find it I will post a few. The serial number list was given to me in confidence on the condition it was not made public. The agreement was that I can confirm an owner's number if it was on the list. If it is not on the list than that would be great as that means that there are a few more floating around somewhere. All we have to do is find them. Thanks.

Michael Jon Littman
Posted - 06/22/2007 : 5:02:43 PM
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I just read your article. It was well written, concise and reads nicely. The photos were excellent and assisted the text very well. You did an excellent job. Thanks!

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