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#1 · (Edited)
Can it please be made a rule that I'll take it trumps pm sent. To me that is chit chat and should be an infraction. If you've sent the person a pm obviously they will know, and it's not an indicator of a transaction. That's why I will still post I'll take it even if a pm sent has been posted. Case in point, I posted an I'll take it after a pm sent and its been 5 days and the pm sender still hasn't paid and the seller is still trying to wait for the guy to be fair. 5 days no payment! I have no patience for that type of foolishness.
 
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#7 ·
How do you know the "PM" doesn't say "I'll take it"? You can't regulate what goes on behind the scenes that much.

I'm sorry you missed out but the fact is that you were second in line. The trader rules have worked like this for a very long time.

I also don't see how a "pm sender" being slow with payment has anything to do with who replied first. If they'd said "I'll take it" you're arguing they would have paid faster?
 
#8 ·
That's why it needs to be a rule to post your intent. On other boards it is a rule. What if you as a seller have someone post pm sent just to tell you nice rifle i have one just like it or had one(this happens all the time or its a lowball offer). Then you as a seller must break the chit chat rule to say still available or wait it out a week to let people know. As a seller I really can't stand "pm sent".
 
#10 ·
The 1st person to contact the seller and makes a deal should trump anything. Should not matter if you used a PM, email, text, phone....what's the difference? Keep in mind, a seller can decide who they want to sell to, even if it's not the 1st person to "claim" item (which is not theirs to claim).
Allan Schisel
 
#11 ·
LOL, I always tell folks to post "I'll take it", and some folks PM "I'll take it" and never post it in the thread. Same thing about payment, I post USPS MO is what I want for payment....again over the years some folks balk about doing that.....SMH...again and again...

But biz is biz and I am grateful for the folks who have bought my stuff over the years.

Pahtu.
 
#13 ·
How would you handle it if someone pm's an I'll take it and one minute later someone else follows directions and posts an I'll take it?
 
#18 ·
Agreed. It's on the seller. Their decision should not be forced (or enforced) by mods. There can be an indication in the post if there is some sort of rule on post precedence for buying, but lacking that it's a free country and the decision to sell, and to whom, lies squarely on the seller.

If you are offended by the way you feel treated by a seller you can ignore their future posts.
 
#19 ·
What if I posted this "I'll take it pending additional pics of the receiver and muzzle" and I'm the first post. Now the next guy just says "I'll take it". Who wins???
 
#23 ·
So would you guys rather that the PM-sender send the PM without posting in the thread? Then when you post "I'll take it" but are still second in line, will you be less disappointed? Is that what this is about?

Or, do you expect the seller to back out of a discussion/negotiation with someone who got there first when you at some point later post "I'll take it"? How do you expect that to be enforced?

I think you're expecting too much from this trader, which is offered as a very generous free service to this community. Most people I've dealt with have been reasonable and fair. More rules are not needed.

This isn't that hard, guys.
 
#35 ·
I'm with Skywarp here - seller decides the terms and people are basically free to decide how to proceed. Moderators are volunteers, service is free. You get what you pay for! Simple.

There are a million and one ways you could regulate the sales and nobody would agree and people would be mad no matter what you do.
Also, lots of regulations are basically socialism - not a free market. I didn't think that was popular on this forum.
 
#25 ·
Just my take on it but especially with the weirdness that happens with the forum lately, there is reason to post "PM sent" (else who knows for sure the seller will even be aware there was a PM sent). If one is PMing an "I'll take it", it wouldn't be a bad idea to post "I'll take it, PM sent". In a case like VA-Vet's example, IMO if someone posts "I'll take it pending blah blah blah", then someone else posts an unconditional "I'll take it", that trumps the conditional post.
 
#32 ·
I find it annoying at times, when I've posted "I'll take it" and some times several days later the seller get's back stating that it was sold through PM. But the bottom line is it's sellers decision who he wants to sell to. I wish more sellers would state that "I'll take it" on the post will trump the PM's - that would take much "guess work" out of it. But of course - if the seller doesn't care about all kinds of "waffling around" with PM sent, pending pictures etc .... it'll be what it is
 
#33 ·
"I'll take it" should trump pm sent, and should be in the rules...

... pending more pics, and bore description, as long as the stock isn't sanded, the cleaning rod matches, not duffel cut, I can do $25/month payments, those are repro grips, there is a spot of cold blue, I sold mine twenty-seven years ago for $80, per our pm agreement, and will you take a Jennings in trade?
 
#34 ·
I only post "PM sent" if I have a question or a request for more pics. The reason I post "PM sent" in the thread is because there are a lot of ancient old gentlemen on this board (sorry old guys) who still use their browser to monitor their for sale thread, and may not notice the PM in their inbox.
I am aware that an "i'll take it" may snatch it out from under me - in fact that has happened to me quite a bit.

The seller needs to be clear about who is first in line when they post an ad.
 
#37 ·
I for one am very appreciative for this board. It is a very nice way to buy and sell between members. I agree that it is up to the seller to choose who to deal with. If a known slacker posts "I'll take it" should not mean that I have to deal with them. skywarp got it right, it isn't that hard. IMHO
 
#43 ·
I totally agree. I like most are very appreciative of those that bought things from me as well as the firearms (C&R) that you gents have sold to me as well as other goodies. Many thanks both ways !

Commentary : I don't live on the Trader to catch anyone posting "I'll take it". I ask in all my postings that you email me and I do catch emails (I check daily many times). However many times folks scan and don't catch my request, they post a reply on Trader and end up not getting the item cause another guy sends me an email and I sealed the deal with him.

While its not too much to ask buyers to read sales terms...misunderstandings happen and feelings hurt. In truth, I hate this as good men are only asking for a fair shot to honestly buy my item.

I have no solution other than buy a I Phone and check Trader as I live my life and I won't do that ...

...and for you Va Vet...you may say "I will take it pending yada yada yada" and stop the sale but in reality the tactic you use is a hold card on an item so you can ask 22,001 questions and then say " I'll Pass". Not good at all.

The seller should describe items fully and you should decide Yes or NO on buying it . Got a question or 22,001 questions...PM the guy and take your chances missing the sale.
 
#44 ·
It should be the sellers choice on who to sell it to and how he wants to conduct his sale.

Why should a seller be locked into a buyer because he posts the first "I'll take it"?

What if the buyer is known to the seller as a slow payer? A guy who flips guns asap for a profit? Who parts swaps or refinishes guns to get more $$ out of them?

That should offend the collector in all of us.
 
#49 ·
Why should a seller be locked into a buyer because he posts the first "I'll take it"?
A seller does not give up his right to sell to whom he chooses just by posting on the forum...

If a buyer is known to be a slow payer, con/scam artist, pain in the a$$, etc., the seller has every right to refuse to sell to him, whether or not he was the first to post "I'll take it".
 
#46 ·
Having bought many, many items from the Trader over the years, I always post "I'll take it" at once. I have always honored my buys and the sellers have always shipped honestly and promptly.

I think a firm public gentleman's written contract to buy saying "I'll take it" should be the rule, not a vague "PM sent." That is how it has been on the Trader for many years, though some have chosen to ignore it.

A "PM sent" can mean anything: a low offer, a question, a bit of information shared, a conditional offer, a good or bad trade offer or, maybe, just maybe a straight buy. An "I'll take it" means just that and should end the sale right there except for those lining up with back-up offers to buy.

Obviously the forum can't be an enforcer, except maybe to say that a rule is a rule and if you violate it you can't sell there again, but it is pretty much a put-off to see that a vague "PM sent" can take priority over a firm contract posed saying "I'll take it."

Timing of such a public legal offer to purchase is clear and should be first in line by a rule here, just as other sites have an instant "Buy it now" function. Lacking a "Buy it now" function, I vote for "I'll take it."
 
#50 ·
This. And for the benefit of those worried about the transaction that prompted the idea of this topic, after 6 days of waffling the seller finally gave up on the pm sender. That pm sender also deserves bad feedback in my book. I got the goods and the seller got his money, just a week later. It wasn't even a big transaction but kind of an annoyance. Everyone has their own opinions of how things should be done but I'll take it trumps tire kicking was always an old unspoken rule.
 
#47 ·
Not to change the subject but what is the proper procedure for trades? If I were to post X rifle to trade for Z rifle how would I sort out any offers? What I mean to say is, can I wait and see what others are offering before accepting one? I know that this is not an auction site but I might not want to jump on the first one down the pike, if any. How would I word such an add? Thanks for any advise (I need it!)
 
#48 ·
I think trades are different than cash buys - take your time and see what is offered.

Obviously you haven't offered to trade instantly for any rifle that vaguely meets the description of what you want.

Just say "I am considering your offer and will get back to you within a few days."

(Unlike a left-wing "gun buyback" where every old broken BB gun is worth $150, as is a mint Single Action Army Colt.)
 
#51 ·
I frequently sell guns with the disclaimer that payment is required within X amount of time and that any unconditional full ask "I'll take it" posted by a buyer with cash in hand trumps any and all pending negotiations and offers.

It would be nice if buyers would just say I'll take it out in the open rather than pm sent (which could mean a plethora of things) to avoid confusion or angst in the marketplace, but such is life. I, personally, don't think policing stuff like that is worth the effort.



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