[TMann]

Its getting crazy out there kiddies. Over $500.00 for what would basically amount to an unknown barrelled action! Am I missing something here?

http://www.gunauction.com/Search/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=10898943

 

[MauserGuy85]

Its getting crazy out there kiddies. Over $500.00 for what would basically amount to an unknown barrelled action! Am I missing something here?http://www.gunauction.com/Search/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=10898943

I emailed the seller twice asking for more detailed pics and "what do the receiver codes read". Pics were uploaded on the site with the same blurry detail and the seller responded that the codes are "to small to read" and that he can't tell.... If that's not suspicious or questionable than I don't know what is...

 

[Pisgah]

Am I missing something here?

Mmm-hmm.

Maybe a couple of the bidders noted that the floorplate is the early experimental type? Put that together with the fact that the seller stated the metal is matching and perhaps a few answers to questions via PM and you have all the ingredients for this one going near $500.

Sometimes crummy photos and overly-brief descriptions can be a blessing.

 

[MauserGuy85]

Mmm-hmm.

Maybe a couple of the bidders noted that the floorplate is the early experimental type? Put that together with the fact that the seller stated the metal is matching and perhaps a few answers to questions via PM and you have all the ingredients for this one going near $500.

Sometimes crummy photos and overly-brief descriptions can be a blessing.

I would just love to know what receiver code it is!!

 

[Pisgah]

I would just love to know what receiver code it is!!

Likely byf 42.

Here's a link to a similar one:

http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1212-byf42-S319-Sheet-Metal-Trials-Gun

 

[mto7464]

good eye.

 

[MauserGuy85]

Likely byf 42.Here's a link to a similar one:http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?1212-byf42-S319-Sheet-Metal-Trials-Gun

Holy smokes! I would have totally bid for this one. I should of asked the experts!! Hard Lesson learned....

 

[Pisgah]

Holy smokes! I would have totally bid for this one. I should of asked the experts!! Hard Lesson learned....

Somewhat painful on my end as well. I hadn't been watching AA as closely for a while now. I have seen a couple of rifles I wouldn't have minded bidding on at AA after the fact but nothing as rare as this. I don't like discovering cool stuff I should have already found as the result of someone posting an ended auction link either. I would have likely been bidding on this if I had found it in time also.

 

[MauserGuy85]

Somewhat painful on my end as well. I hadn't been watching AA as closely for a while now. I have seen a couple of rifles I wouldn't have minded bidding on at AA after the fact but nothing as rare as this. I don't like discovering cool stuff I should have already found as the result of someone posting an ended auction link either. I would have likely been bidding on this if I had found it in time also.

I think my situation is a bit worse regret wise since I was totally interested in it the first place. Like I said, I emailed the seller at least twice for pics and info. I made out the S before the serial on the receiver and I thought that was strange so I kind of ruled it out since the seller didn't seem to want to post up clear pics. Plus to add more insult to injury he told me that the bore is pretty nice! This is the third rare piece I missed because of a lack of knowledge! This is extremely frustrating...

 

[Pisgah]

Remember that having crummy photos and little desire to answer questions doesn't always make a seller "shady" or hiding something. I don't sell too often (as I tend to lose money) but can tell you that I frequently received questions and requests from folks making demands for more detailed photos and asking semi-crazy questions. Some of the ones who were the most demanding eventually didn't even bid. I'm never surprised when a seller doesn't respond or does so with brief and largely unhelpful responses. Imagine how many questions/requests some of these guys receive when they have multiple auctions going. Also realize that many sellers don't know anything about German WW2 arms. I'm not excusing bad seller behavior, just making an attempt to add some perspective on it. From our end, the purpose of the exercise is to acquire cool stuff as cheaply as possible. In the case of this auction, I likely would have not asked for any additional info and would have taken the seller at his word that the metal parts matched. The final bid on this one was not much more than an average RC goes for. I definitely would have considered rolling the dice.

 

[MauserGuy85]

Remember that having crummy photos and little desire to answer questions doesn't always make a seller "shady" or hiding something. I don't sell too often (as I tend to lose money) but can tell you that I frequently received questions and requests from folks making demands for more detailed photos and asking semi-crazy questions. Some of the ones who were the most demanding eventually didn't even bid. I'm never surprised when a seller doesn't respond or does so with brief and largely unhelpful responses. Imagine how many questions/requests some of these guys receive when they have multiple auctions going. Also realize that many sellers don't know anything about German WW2 arms. I'm not excusing bad seller behavior, just making an attempt to add some perspective on it. From our end, the purpose of the exercise is to acquire cool stuff as cheaply as possible. In the case of this auction, I likely would have not asked for any additional info and would have taken the seller at his word that the metal parts matched. The final bid on this one was not much more than an average RC goes for. I definitely would have considered rolling the dice.

Agreed... Such a shame though for you, me and other collectors. Hopefully it went to a good home.

 

[MauserGuy85]

Pisgah,

For the future, is it safe to say that the "S" before the serial denotes a trial rifle if found on byf's?

 

[solman]

yea nice floor plate... good eye.
heres my take
serial is on the recever. good. four digit. blurry pics of the bolt say to me 'three digit'... bolt M/M?
also what appears to me a earlier ejector box 'flat top'.
i aint payin 500 for a flippin floor plate. hell i got an early extractor off a bolt waffen 6!! ill let it go for 100!! ha ha ha.

 

[Pisgah]

Pisgah,

For the future, is it safe to say that the "S" before the serial denotes a trial rifle if found on byf's?

S (or V) serial number prefixes on a Nazi era Mauser Oberndorf manufactured military bolt action rifle should definitely always get your attention. Really, other than the Portuguese contract rifles, any letter suffix on a Kar.98k regardless of manufacturer should make you take a second look. The V prefix was found on (MO) G40k rifles and that is another rare one. The district rifles often appear to have their district designator in Roman numerals in front of their serial number digits and tend to be cool rifles when found.

 

[Pisgah]

yea nice floor plate... good eye.
heres my take
serial is on the recever. good. four digit. blurry pics of the bolt say to me 'three digit'... bolt M/M?
also what appears to me a earlier ejector box 'flat top'.
i aint payin 500 for a flippin floor plate. hell i got an early extractor off a bolt waffen 6!! ill let it go for 100!! ha ha ha.

Sol,

To each his own, or more appropriately for this board "jedem das seine". If my emphasis was Mausers for shooting then $300 to $400 would go a long way. As is, this rifle is (likely) the second S prefix sheet metal trials type rifle I have ever seen. The other known example has a mismatched bolt, so I have no perspective regarding what would be correct on the bolt flat of one of these rifles. Just a guess, but likely the only place with the S prefix was the receiver ring, meaning 3 digits visible on the bolt flat and most of the other numbered parts would have been correct. Mauser Oberndorf used the flat top style ejector box all the way through the war, so no surprises there (note my svw 45 example photo). Anyway, for many collectors, RC type money to roll the dice on receiving such a rare rifle would not be a crazy move. Worse case scenario you end up with a very expensive rare floorplate. As I mentioned previously, the seller stated that the metal is numbers matching and the rifle is being offered on AA. If my memory is correct, AA forces sellers to offer a return policy so if you bought it and it was wrong, you could always send it back.

Pisgah

 

[MauserGuy85]

Pisgah, your killing me here buddy! I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight....

 

[Kursk]

I know a guy who has a rifle (rc apparently) that has only circle A proofs. I'm waiting for a photo. Same guy HAD a district rifle. He kept that one for years until he found out what it was - then he sold it.

 

[Bigdibbs88]

i dont get it...its a byf 42 sporter....with awful pics...i wouldnt feel too bad. it wont be correct or matching again. hell ive got one totally matched, not experimental, the front half of the stock is missing but is a clean cut and could be repaired. ill give it to your for $1k if that will make u feel better......

 

[Kursk]

i agree dibbs, but still cheaper than some rc rifles now a days and you have a rare part.

 

[Pisgah]

i dont get it...its a byf 42 sporter....with awful pics...i wouldnt feel too bad. it wont be correct or matching again. hell ive got one totally matched, not experimental, the front half of the stock is missing but is a clean cut and could be repaired. ill give it to your for $1k if that will make u feel better......

How do you compare a standard byf 42 with an S-prefixed byf 42 with some experimental parts? It is a bit like saying that an S block bnz 45 is the same as an swjXe. One is common. The other not so much. I get the fact that this one is damaged, but then again if it was completely matching and original trim, it wouldn't be selling for under $500. I also understand that the pix in the auction suck and the description doesn't say much. If I had found it I would have probably gambled on it being right. Compared to what else one can buy for that selling price, so long as it is what I suspect it is, it is not a bad deal. And, like I said, the seller put it out there that it is matching number and I believe AA mandates a return policy so really not that bad of a risk.