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If only this rifle could talk she would probably have not much to say (has this "been nowhere but the gun safe since left the factory" look :)))
Absolutely gorgeous (pics do not do it justice) all original, nonimport (and no other nonoriginal markings) correctly Izhevsk "Bow and Arrow" arsenal stamped parts (I found 33 stamped parts so far) with the stock matching to the rifle (SN on the inside) and possibly unfired. Enjoy!
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Would this have been originally equipped with a flat rear sight leaf? The Spitzer projectile was still a few years to come when this was built. Steel crossbolt? Wasn't that also around 1909? Not completely like it was when it came off the assembly line.

I would still give it rack space, though. :cool:
 

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Would this have been originally equipped with a flat rear sight leaf? The Spitzer projectile was still a few years to come when this was built. Steel crossbolt? Wasn't that also around 1909? Not completely like it was when it came off the assembly line.
And IIRC the hand guard should also wrap around the rear sight.
 

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Would this have been originally equipped with a flat rear sight leaf? The Spitzer projectile was still a few years to come when this was built. Steel crossbolt? Wasn't that also around 1909? Not completely like it was when it came off the assembly line.

I would still give it rack space, though. :cool:
I thought about this, strangely enough the rear sight base is not graduated but properly marked with "Bow and Arrow" (base, leaf, slide, spring) and I do not see any signs of fresh soldering.
There are also some parts in white (barrel band springs, magazine floor plate latch) which are normally blued.
When I saw the rifle on pics I thought it was refinished but it looks original in person (it was morning sun so the pics do not do it justice).
The wood looks original as there are multiple very small markings which would've been erased if even lightly sanded.
If the Spitzer bullet came around 1908 is it possible that the rifle was assembled around that time using leftover 1905 dated parts or is it absolutely superb freshly arsenal converted rifle (from the original 1905 configuration) ?
 

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Beautiful!
 

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I think this is a true 1905 Dragoon, but that it was upgraded with new features, post-1909. The blank rear sight base is normal, as it would originally been equipped with the wrap around handguard. I'm not sure when the 2nd variation handguard was introduced, but my recollection is early teens.

I don't see any evidence of refinishing, either. It is majorly fantastico extraordinary special that there it is, yup.
 

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I think this is a true 1905 Dragoon, but that it was upgraded with new features, post-1909. The blank rear sight base is normal, as it would originally been equipped with the wrap around handguard. I'm not sure when the 2nd variation handguard was introduced, but my recollection is early teens.

I don't see any evidence of refinishing, either. It is majorly fantastico extraordinary special that there it is, yup.
That makes total sense (the reason for the absent graduations). So I guess it was original 1905 stored in a safe place, upgraded at some point after 1908 and put back in storage? That makes it even more unusual :)))))
 

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Wow Yuri, just wow
 
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