[arisakadogs]

From the gray blanket seller no less.
Check out the name tag on the sling. It has the name Nakadate Tokitaro and the serial number of the rifle in kana (7620)
Too bad the stock was sanded but this example shows that this rifle was issued with this sling
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=273228272
Mucho Thanky to Edokko for the translation!

 

[Jareth]

Mum or ground which...oh wait this tired old argument about which style/type of sling is MORE "correct" for type 2 rifle! My humble opinion is there isn't just one! That type slide buckle speaks non rifle sling to me. More equipment sling but hey who knows

 

[unleashedndest]

That rifle wasn't sanded it was steel wooled metal and all!

 

[arisakadogs]

"Mum or ground which...oh wait this tired old argument about which style/type of sling is MORE "correct" for type 2 rifle! My humble opinion is there isn't just one! That type slide buckle speaks non rifle sling to me. More equipment sling but hey who knows"


Well, the fella that was issued that rifle had that sling on it so how bout that

 

[Jareth]

Big deal. Proves nothing. The fact that style sling doesn't turn up on ANY other rifles is also telling. We know the Japanese utilized LOTS of different style slings on lots of different model rifles. Tainted by grey blanket.

 

[Vic]

Nice sling though...

 

[arisakadogs]

If someone else had posted this they wouldn't be getting this crap from Jareth
And, this style sling has shown up on other T-2s

Sorry I brought it up

 

[Edokko]

If someone had posted this they wouldn't be getting this crap from Jareth

Must be love !

 

[03man]

No doubt that this sling was "on" that T 2; issued that way? Maybe. Used on the T 2 for sure.

Makes good sense that the QD sling would be used on a rifle that was made to be taken apart and packed in a leg or chest pouch.

Anyone want to speculate on the "real" purpose of the groove milled into the wood at the top of the swivel? That is what I've always wondered about!

Thanks for posting the link; every little bit of info helps with this stuff.

 

[garfield's dad]

Sic 'em, Jareth!

 

[arisakadogs]

Anyone want to speculate on the "real" purpose of the groove milled into the wood at the top of the swivel? That is what I've always wondered about!

Thanks for posting the link; every little bit of info helps with this stuff.

I'm sure that NY smartass will come up with some other snarky comment here as well but to me, that groove makes it easy to raise the swivel with a finger to attach the sling.

 

[arisakadogs]

Sic 'em, Jareth!

Thanks, you're a real pal

 

[03man]

I'm sure that NY smartass will come up with some other snarky comment here as well but to me, that groove makes it easy to raise the swivel with a finger to attach the sling.

That was/is my idea too; logical, but sometimes I get in trouble with logic.:thumbsup:

 

[DocAV]

Funny that the webbing is exactly the same weave used in late WW II .303. Ammo cans ( Aussie 1944-45 cans, for 300 rounds clipped in bandos).
Back in the 1960s, when I was a training instructor for Cadet Units, we went through hundreds of these 300 round combat tins ( rip top, two per chest) and they were all fitted with straps made of similar weave webbing (Herringbone) and also normal square weave style. I collected the straps off the cans (otherwise they were going to landfill) and still have a couple of dozen left. They were ideal for slings on short rifles, for rolling blankets etc, and for making straps for Packs and so on.

Japanese webbing used a variety of woven cotton straps, some derived from British and US weave Patterns. The Herringbone weave was very common on a lot of Curtain Tape produced both in Britain and Japan. In fact the Maxim and Vickers belts was a Cotton Tape Herringbone weave.

SO it is not surprising that a light sling of this type was available. The Japanese also copied other Western items, such as the "Lift the Dot" fastener used by US Equipment from the early part of the 1900s through to Vietnam. (when substituted with the snaps and also Velcro.)

Shame that the metal and wood was "scratched" by the poor application of coarse steel wool...BUBBA!!!!

Nice piece, anyway.

 

[vadrums]

Here's mine...

 

[Jareth]

I'd pick on anyone who would of posted that subject over again. More to do with the title of the post than the poster. At the least should of dragged up an older post & added to it.That way the discussion would be more cohesive & aid collectors looking to add a sling on their type 2. Nothing to do with bib wearing. As I said already & not on this post but MANY similar posts on this subject...there likely is not one, correct, designed SPECIFICALLY for type 2 sling. No doubt this sling has been on the rifle. Lets talk about buckle or sling adjust system. Where else do we see this type of slide used? As Don & others mentioned the unique to type 2 stock groove is key evidence. There are at least three sling styles including Rob's favorite multi-use rifle bale hook sling & quick release snap that would utilize this groove. As the friendly yankee hippies taught us "question authority"

 

[arisakadogs]

Here's mine...

That style sling is the type found on the T-100 SMG and/or the LMG mag pouches.

 

[arisakadogs]

Lets talk about buckle or sling adjust system. Where else do we see this type of slide used? As Don & others mentioned the unique to type 2 stock groove is key evidence. There are at least three sling styles including Rob's favorite multi-use rifle bale hook sling & quick release snap that would utilize this groove. As the friendly yankee hippies taught us "question authority"

Educated by hippies - say no more, that makes perfect sense
Ok, this buckle - it's the same type (but larger) as that used on the sniper scope straps.
I initially dismissed this style of sling because there never seemed to be any snap clip damage around the lower swivel. But now, with this one linked to this rifle by that tag, I've had to rethink that. These rifles saw little or no use, so that may account for the lack of bruising and at the same time that lack of use would, to me, cause me to think that there wasn't any need to ever replace the sling while the rifle was in service.
Someone else posted one of these slings here a while back that was identical.

 

[Aryeh]

There hasn't been much heavy research into the methods of the establishment and procurement of the equipment of Japanese (both army and navy) paratroop forces. Sure, we have an idea what they wore and used in combat, but I have not seen any definitive evidence of official regulation regarding 'special forces' items. It's my feeling that from the uniforms to weapon accessories, generic outlines were put forth; "you must have a jump uniform of this pattern, of this similar color, having these provisions (i.e. pistol pocket on navy uniforms.) As with weapons; "You will be issued the Type 2 rifle, slings must have provisions for quick-disconnect." Since paratrooper units were such small, specialized units, their required items would not be mass-produced and my guess (which is as good as any) is that the units were given money to contract the production of or choose from existing equipment items to fulfill the requirements for their own uniforms and accessories. Much like modern JSOC guys get a mission and money from US SOCOM, and they, of their own accord, get the specialized gear and weapons they want/need.

This is the only way I can explain such variation, particularly in uniforms and 'web' gear, within such a small organization.

 

[G.Franchi]

Here is my old post.
Gary

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...disconnect-for-Type-ll-rifles&highlight=sling