This bayonet was on the doorstep when I arrived home today
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My thoughts exactly! Reply required! Otherwise, don't encourage him too much with his lovely jealousy-making examples that he was probably paid to take away or (even worse!) end up getting dumped on his doorstep...
Field Editor ~ GUNS Magazine, Co-Author ~ Serbian Army Weapons of Victory &PH - Kudu Safaris
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Hello Gents,
On some of these WWI conversions, with the hand grinding that was performed on the pommels and muzzle rings of some of the Mle 1874 Gras bayonets, once the grip, pommel and muzzle-ring of each bayonet was altered to fit the bayonet lug and barrel jacket of the Gew 88 properly, the blades of some of the bayonet interfered with the center line of the bore. The blades on these examples were bent downward towards the quillion in order to ensure that the blade did not deflect the bullet in the event that the rifle was fired with the bayonet mounted.
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Hope this info helps.
Warmest regards,
JPS
On some of these WWI conversions, with the hand grinding that was performed on the pommels and muzzle rings of some of the Mle 1874 Gras bayonets, once the grip, pommel and muzzle-ring of each bayonet was altered to fit the bayonet lug and barrel jacket of the Gew 88 properly, the blades of some of the bayonet interfered with the center line of the bore. The blades on these examples were bent downward towards the quillion in order to ensure that the blade did not deflect the bullet in the event that the rifle was fired with the bayonet mounted.
Hope this info helps.
Warmest regards,
JPS
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They are bayonets working undercover from my Collection. They sneak in and check out the rifles you mount them on, then record the data for a future "visit" to your Collection. While Olga performs a body cavity search on you in advance of my visit to your collection, I'll interrogate the bayonets properly who will in turn provide me with detailed information regarding the rifles I want to "borrow" during the tour.
Remember the old saying from the Iliad Mike!
"Beware of Greek's bearing Gras'!"
Such bayonet greed eventually resulted in the downfall of Troy!
JPS
Remember the old saying from the Iliad Mike!
"Beware of Greek's bearing Gras'!"
Such bayonet greed eventually resulted in the downfall of Troy!
JPS
Ah-Ha, Mr JPS! You clearly never watched 'Yes Minister'! Following is courtesy of Wiki-
Bernard: "Well, the point is it was the Greeks who gave the Trojan Horse to the Trojans, so technically, it wasn't a Trojan Horse at all, it was a Greek Horse. Hence the tag timeo Danaos et dona ferentes which you will recall, is usually and somewhat inaccurately translated as Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Or doubtless, you would have recalled, had you not attended the LSE".
Hacker: "Yes well I'm sure Greek tags are all right in their way, but can we stick to the point, please?"
Bernard: "Sorry. Sorry, Greek tags?"Hacker: "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. I suppose the EEC equivalent would be Beware of Greeks bearing an olive oil surplus!"Sir Humphrey: "Excellent, Minister!"Bernard: "Ah. Oh. Well, the point is minister, that just as the Trojan Horse was in fact Greek, what you describe as a Greek tag is in fact Latin. It's obvious, really: the Greeks would never suggest bewaring of themselves, if one could use such a participle, 'bewaring', that is. And it's clearly Latin, not because timeo ends in -o, because the Greek first person also ends in -o. Though actually, there is a Greek word τιμαω, meaning 'I honour'. But the -os ending is a nominative singular termination of the second declension in Greek, and an accusative plural in Latin, of course. Though actually 'Danaos' is not only the Greek for Greek, its also the Latin for Greek, it's very interesting really..."
'Nuff said? I think we can get a Gras in there somewhere but I have no idea what the gender or declension might be... Olga might?
Bernard: "Well, the point is it was the Greeks who gave the Trojan Horse to the Trojans, so technically, it wasn't a Trojan Horse at all, it was a Greek Horse. Hence the tag timeo Danaos et dona ferentes which you will recall, is usually and somewhat inaccurately translated as Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Or doubtless, you would have recalled, had you not attended the LSE".
Hacker: "Yes well I'm sure Greek tags are all right in their way, but can we stick to the point, please?"
Bernard: "Sorry. Sorry, Greek tags?"Hacker: "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. I suppose the EEC equivalent would be Beware of Greeks bearing an olive oil surplus!"Sir Humphrey: "Excellent, Minister!"Bernard: "Ah. Oh. Well, the point is minister, that just as the Trojan Horse was in fact Greek, what you describe as a Greek tag is in fact Latin. It's obvious, really: the Greeks would never suggest bewaring of themselves, if one could use such a participle, 'bewaring', that is. And it's clearly Latin, not because timeo ends in -o, because the Greek first person also ends in -o. Though actually, there is a Greek word τιμαω, meaning 'I honour'. But the -os ending is a nominative singular termination of the second declension in Greek, and an accusative plural in Latin, of course. Though actually 'Danaos' is not only the Greek for Greek, its also the Latin for Greek, it's very interesting really..."
'Nuff said? I think we can get a Gras in there somewhere but I have no idea what the gender or declension might be... Olga might?
Yep, I get you there, and a very good point"but I have no idea what the gender or declension might be"... ...I can't imagine bayonets as being anything but masculine- if only due to their ummm... general configuration, as it were.
(and considered this thread thoroughly hijacked!)
tisk, without going into the shape and functional aspect...!!! What always gets me, though is while I can understand how a certain company might name a certain adaptor a "Trojan" after some odd bods who lived on the west coast of modern Turkey in about 1150 BC., why on earth did a similar 'Buy me and stop one' company name theirs a Ramses, after the guy who fathered over 90 male heirs...
After having studied for an exam in English Historical linguistics for three full weeks the mere mentioning of any grammatical category and agreement in terms of gender, case and number, as well as borrowings from Old Norse, Greek, Latin or Norman French have a tendency of making me a bit wacky :cheers:
Other than that, a really nice bayonet indeed.
Other than that, a really nice bayonet indeed.
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I like FROGGY'S PIC!! I have a large & small Froggy which I got EBAY!! Who can forget him if you watched TV in the 50's! He's right above my bayonet bins!!
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Attached is a PIC of my buddy Froggie the Gremlin!! Pissed off a lot of teachers in the 50's imitating him!! Finally found the little guy on EBAY ($150) !!!
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These Gras conversions has the blade bent close to crossguard. Your scabbard looks like being bended close to tip.
Anyway - never seen a Gras scabbard bended to fit a Gras conversion with a bended blade - it should not be nescessary
//Bo
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