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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/opinion/02tue3.html?_r=4

The Gun Lobby’s Loss
Published: December 1, 2008

The gun lobby has long intimidated politicians with its war chest and its trumpeted ability to deliver single-issue voters, especially in tight races. After this year’s election, those politicians should be far less afraid and far more willing to vote for sensible gun-control laws.

The National Rifle Association directed much money and bile against Barack Obama. In false, misleading and, fortunately, ineffective ads, fliers, mailers and Web postings, the group said that Mr. Obama posed a “clear and present danger” to Second Amendment rights and that his election would mean a gun ban.

Despite that harsh barrage, Mr. Obama won states with heavy gun ownership, including Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania. That success should send a signal to other politicians: consistency matters.

In fact, Mr. Obama has long been a supporter of the argument, disputed by this page, that the Second Amendment bestows an individual right to bear arms unrelated to raising a militia. But Mr. Obama did not abandon his support for reasonable gun-control laws. “Don’t tell me we can’t uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals,” he declared at the Democratic convention.

In Congressional races, the N.R.A. endorsed candidates in 20 of the 25 races where Democrats picked up seats from Republicans. We will not miss Florida’s Tom Feeney and Ric Keller, Idaho’s Bill Sali, Michigan’s Joe Knollenberg, Ohio’s Steve Chabot, Colorado’s Marilyn Musgrave and Pennsylvania’s Phil English — willing champions of an extreme agenda.

On the Senate side, the N.R.A. spent considerable sums to help Senator Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina and Bob Schaffer, the Republican Senate candidate in Colorado. Both were defeated.

And the N.R.A.’s poor showing was not just a single isolated event. A useful election analysis prepared by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence shows that its 2006 campaign effort also was a big flop.

We hope the trend continues. To fight crime and keep Americans safe, this country needs sound gun-control laws. To pass those laws as president, Mr. Obama will need strong Congressional support.
 

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When are they gonna go after their racist mayor? David Crosby paid just a $5,000.00 fine, for carrying a concealed handgun in New York in 2004. We didn't hear Michael Bloomberg demanding that this pothead musician (with three prior convictions for the same thing) serve 3 1/2 years in prison. Jails are for the black people who are convicted of gun charges on their first offense.

Does this sound familiar? You bet it does. It wasn't that long ago; when wealthy white people were given fines for snorting cocaine; while the poor black people who smoked it in a crack pipe wound up in a cage.

Cocaine is cocaine. Carrying a hangun without a license is not a different story because somebody is black or white. The punishment should be the same...
 

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Your example

Your example below is the difference between liberals and conservatives, between what "feels good" verses the "rule of law". The "feel good" era is to be feared, because it is akin to mob rule, as in the era of the witch hunts. "Evil" will be persecuted, while the "misguided" will get off with a wrist slap. And the libs get to chose who is who.

When are they gonna go after their racist mayor? David Crosby paid just a $5,000.00 fine, for carrying a concealed handgun in New York in 2004. We didn't hear Michael Bloomberg demanding that this pothead musician (with three prior convictions for the same thing) serve 3 1/2 years in prison. Jails are for the black people who are convicted of gun charges on their first offense.

Does this sound familiar? You bet it does. It wasn't that long ago; when wealthy white people were given fines for snorting cocaine; while the poor black people who smoked it in a crack pipe wound up in a cage.

Cocaine is cocaine. Carrying a hangun without a license is not a different story because somebody is black or white. The punishment should be the same...
 

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Wonder how many of those "heavy gun ownership states" are now experiencing the panic buying, inflation, and all out run on the gun stores that the rest of the country is seeing.

I call bullshit on this one, as I did not see ONE ad put out by the NRA, here in Iowa.
 

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No wonder the New York Times is hemorrhaging advertisers and readers - they are so out of touch with reality. Won't be long before the 'Grey Lady' is toast.
 

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Anybody else noticing that those on gunboards who were screaming the loudest about how rotten John McCain was, are now screaming the loudest about how much they dislike Obama and his anti-gun policies/goals?

I voted for the 2nd Amendment, I know MY conscience is clean.
 

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Anybody else noticing that those on gunboards who were screaming the loudest about how rotten John McCain was, are now screaming the loudest about how much they dislike Obama and his anti-gun policies/goals?

I voted for the 2nd Amendment, I know MY conscience is clean.
I've also noticed that those who hated McCain the most seem to be posting the most new threads complaining about Obama the most...as if the sheer volume of BS will overshadow that fact.

No NRA ads were run in Oklahoma that I'm aware of, due to the fact that the money needed to be spent elsewhere.

With all 77 counties voting red, and very pro-gun Democrat gov, senate, and house, the money wasn't needing to be spent here.
 

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Missing from the article is the fact that in both of the last two elections the dems had to be careful not to run very many anti-gun candidates. The dem leadership remains rabidly anti-gun but the rank and file have moved closer to the Republicans on the gun issue.
 

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I call bullshit on this one, as I did not see ONE ad put out by the NRA, here in Iowa.
REALLY! Wayne LaPierre and his gang can't shoot straight any more. They do not protest; when corrupt anti-gun politicians refuse to enforce federal gun control laws in our crime infested liberal sanctuary cities. If not ICE; then who do they call, when illegal aliens are arrested with an illegal gun on the street?

The N.R.A. does not protest against issuing state drivers license to illegal aliens, even though that piece of plastic allows them to purchase their next guns in Dunham's, Big 5 and other licensed dealer's retail stores. Never mind if this would be illegal too.

"Are you an illegal alien?", is one of the questions to be answered on that BATFE form #4473. Guess who gets blamed if somebody lies, buys a gun and then uses it? That's right, the gun stores who aren't equipped to enforce this law and the FBI's NICS computers aren't running immigration checks either. I heard nothing out of Wayne, when that horny anti-gun New York attorney general was obsessed with providing illegals with an ID card that can be used to buy an illegal gun.

Most of my support goes to the Gun Owners of America and their local state affiliate group which is more responsive to public input...
 

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Anybody else noticing that those on gunboards who were screaming the loudest about how rotten John McCain was, are now screaming the loudest about how much they dislike Obama and his anti-gun policies/goals?

I voted for the 2nd Amendment, I know MY conscience is clean.
I have noticed.
 

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Most of my support goes to the Gun Owners of America and their local state affiliate group which is more responsive to public input...
Exactly how many laws has GOA gotten passed? Would ZERO be about right, even though its tried to take credit for legislation pushed by the NRA?

I lived in the same town as GOA headquarters for over 20 years. Their presence in the community and in Congress, 14 miles away, was nil. The organization is nothing but a hobby of its foundin executive director, Larry Pratt, a bulk mailer of advertising with offices in a Springfield, VA office park. Its "no comromise" standards make it pretty useless at winning elections and pushing politicians around. For example the GOA was outspoken in its opposition to John McCain's 2008 presidential bid, describing his gun-rights voting record as "abysmal, wretched, and pathetic" and rating him with an F- on Second Amendment issues since 2004 as opposed to the NRA's (through its political arm, the NRA-PVF) C+ rating of McCain.

The GOA was described by Congressman Ron Paul as "The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington." This quote from Paul has long been displayed front and center on the homepage of the Gun Owners of America website, and the only 2008 Presidential Candidate to gain an A+ rating from Gun Owners of America was Paul.

To date the GOA has had as much success on the national political scene as Paul, and is just a fringe organization for ranting to other dedicated gun nuts like ourselves.

And if you expect the NRA to work wonders without grass roots support from gun owners, guess again. NRA power is based strictly on the number of votes it can turn out and that power was overwhelmed by the economic problems.

The NRA power was also catered to by the Democrats tactic of running pro RKBA candidates in red districts, and its non-partisan position made them give endorsements and/or high ratings to many of these candidates. This increased, on paper, the Democratic majority but may make it impossible for them to pass an AGB or any gun control.
 

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Wayne LaPierre can go fly a kite until he gets enough balls to go after corrupt anti-gun politicians who refuse to enforce their own damned laws. The NRA is little more than a FUNDRAISING arm for the GOP these days...
...how much funds have you raised for RKBA...?
 

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Ireceive a mailing from the NRA yesterday. Most of it was the accident insurance they wanted to sell me. Another part was where they wanted money for the President's Council ($500), Life memberships for family members and regular NRA memberships. But I would get my "2009" NRA Benefactor's card activated. They are a bunch of ho's.


They made a mistake of sending a business reply envelope (where they pay postage). Everything I can get into the envelope will be put into it before I mail it back to them.
 
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