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Wow! Just shot a full size Glock 37 today. Chambered in the 45 GAP. When this round and the 9mm frame chambered pistols hit the market I said this is really cool because I have small hands.

The nay sayers.... No it'll never last it's a flash in the pan. You'll never find ammo at Wally World. OK, OK' got a point about the ammo.
The round sounds different than a 45 ACP but in the Glock Model 37 it seemed to be a nice shooting pistol. Just "different".

I'm going to get one! My brother doesn't care for them but I can't find anything not to like. It's a reloaders round but what the heck.

I read that the 45 GAP was an answer to non existant problem. I kinda disagree with that. I like the feel of the pistol and with my smaller hands, it fits very well. AND no bones about it I just like a Glock.

Handled a Springfied XD in the GAP but it was the same size pistol as the 45 ACP no benefit there....and I heard Springfield was discontinuing the GAP offering. I can see that. Nothing gained.

Glock got it right but you just don't hear much about it. Wonder why????

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Don't hear much about it becuase it is not catching on. For a few, it may be helpful but but it will be a speciality item.
 

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If you have small hands shoot a 1911A1 type, single action, single stack. And for concealed carry you are better off with a thinner pistol than a stubby, squat one.

BTW after reading the nonsense on how the shorter case made the 45 G.A.P. "better" I was inspired to invented the ultimate 45 cal round.

The 45 N.A.P.

For "Not A Pistol". No case at all. It's a sock with a double handful of 45 cal bullets.
 

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The nay sayers.... No it'll never last it's a flash in the pan. You'll never find ammo at Wally World.

I read that the 45 GAP was an answer to non existant problem.

Glock got it right but you just don't hear much about it. Wonder why????

Draybo
I think you have kind of answered your own question. It is because most people tend to consider it an answer to a non existant problem. With the ammunition not being readily available it is hard for many to get behind it. Add to that the fact that the .40 S&W (like it or not) filled the niche between 9MM and .45 acp first and has been accepted much more in many more models, and you have a very hard row to hoe. The .40 also has the benefit of being chambered in nearly identical, in some cases indentical, pistols as the 9MM which is very attractive to perspective buyers across the board. The .40 had a built in advantage when it came out, FBI backing, and the hi cap magazine ban. Since they could only have limited rounds in thier 9 mm pistols people accepted the same pistol , same number of rounds in a larger caliber. All the GAP has really going for it are those individuals with smaller hands, who do not want to shoot the thinner 1911 single stacks or those pistols are still too thick of grip but do not want a .40 or 9MM. Not the largest base to begin with unfortunately.

Then there is the fact that normally, new rounds contend with one another until most fall away and one comes out ahead, and I think (personal opinion/guess), the .357 Sig will outlast the GAP for those buyers who want something other than the .40, 9MM, or .45acp. It just seems to get more press from what I have seen.

In revolvers the .327 magnum might be the one new round that has a shot at becoming accepted.
 

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Keep track of this one Draybo and bring it back up in about, oh, 5 years, and remind us of the GAP being "here to stay".

You may have to explain to some noobies what the cartrige is, or was, as the case may be.

.357 Sig was a .357 Magnum in an autopistol, should be a sure winner.

Where'd it go?

Yet another "solution to a nonexistant problem".

It's mighty hard to market a "fix" to something that only a very tiny percentage of the market considers "broken".

There's a market for $1,000/pair ladies shoes too, a mighty SMALL market.

There's a market for gloves to come singly, not in "pairs", due to some loss of one appendage, why hasn't someone filled that niche?
Production and marketing too expensive to be carried by sales to far to few purchasers.

Glad you like the cartrige.
If you plan on keeping it for "the long haul", I suggest you save every piece of brass and find a set of reloading dies NOW, before they become custom set. (Lee has them currently, most people just use .45 Auto, so when you can't find GAP dies, you can use the ones I use.

I know people who own .357 Sig, who don't handload, who won't shoot it, because of the cost and availability (lack of) of ammo.

Starline brass, today, .357 Sig, $88/500. (Backordered expected availability: 07/31/2010 )
.45 GAP, $82/500, this part I find funny: "(Backordered expected availability: NEXT RUN WHEN SUFFICIENT BACKORDER ACHIEVED )"
.45 Auto, $78/500. (Backordered expected availability: 06/15/2010 )

Don't feel bad tho, the firearms world is full of "someone's good idea" that wasn't nearly as good, or nearly as desired, as someone thought it was.

.44 Automag, .45 Super, 9x23mm, About anything with "Detonics" attached to it, .41 Magnum was a good round, nobody wanted it, 460 Rowland, anything from "Wildey", I really think the 500S&W will wind up in this list before too long as well.
I think Beyowulf will be in the same "boat" before long too, far to "niche", far too many "proprietary" parts, far too few custom mod and feeding sources.
 

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Well it seems the .357 Sig has fallen by the wayside. But I have thought from day one the GAP would succeed.

My brothers on the boards are my best sounding board. Thank you guys, all that post thier thoughts. And of course all comments are taken to heart.

Number one regarding the GAP.... It is a reloaders proposition and may I add a reloaders "deliight". No longer are the old pressure limits of .45 ACP data relevant. Stonger brass an NO MORE Glock bulge! Yehaw!! Did you hear that. No bulge so that means the cartridge is meant to be reloaded for this chambering without "issues".

Jacketed bulles only. NO problem. I hate removing lead and the velocities this pistol functions under lead isn't an option anyway. Saves clean up time!

Can't find brass? That is an obstical. Maybe when Starline makes a run maybe a 1-2K order would be a good investment.

What I found shooting the pistol is a that it's recoil is comparable to a .40 S$W but I found a pychological preconsemption of a much harder recoil impulse. Definately NOT the case.

Dang! I just like the round and the gun. Fixin' to put one on order and the crimp die too.
 

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I think as long as the handful LE departments who use GAP, ammo from the few manufacturers who make it will be around, although limited. After that, who knows?

You might want to consider getting a conversion barrel to save your GAP ammo and to save a few $.
 

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The .45 GAP is a nice cartridge but..........it does nothing nor does it provide anything that the .40 S&W or .45 ACP doesn't. Around here the only people I see shooting it are competitors who shoot S&W .45 revolvers with full moon clips as the shorter case allows more positive reloads and faster ejection. IMHO if you need smaller Glock than a G21 use a G17 or a G22 - and load them with 9mm and .40 ammo that will equal the performance of the .45 GAP or .45 ACP. They're are plenty of them available nowadays.
 

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I agree in concept but disagree in what's been applied.

I don't really believe the 357 Sig can compare to a hotrod .357 125 grain magnum load. Never has, never will.

Chambering the 7.62X25 in modern handguns will never happen. And the 327 Magnum is DOA (again in IMHO).

The Gap meets the .45 ACP in a smaller package as far as the Glock Automatic Pistol is concerned. Yehaw (thier marketing ploy).

As a side note; reloading puts a helluva lot of fun back into the sport regarding the G.A.P.

Now it's a toss up between the Glock Model 37 (the one I shot) or the Glock Model 38 "midsize".

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I think you have kind of answered your own question. It is because most people tend to consider it an answer to a non existant problem. With the ammunition not being readily available it is hard for many to get behind it. Add to that the fact that the .40 S&W (like it or not) filled the niche between 9MM and .45 acp first and has been accepted much more in many more models, and you have a very hard row to hoe. The .40 also has the benefit of being chambered in nearly identical, in some cases indentical, pistols as the 9MM which is very attractive to perspective buyers across the board. The .40 had a built in advantage when it came out, FBI backing, and the hi cap magazine ban. Since they could only have limited rounds in thier 9 mm pistols people accepted the same pistol , same number of rounds in a larger caliber. All the GAP has really going for it are those individuals with smaller hands, who do not want to shoot the thinner 1911 single stacks or those pistols are still too thick of grip but do not want a .40 or 9MM. Not the largest base to begin with unfortunately.

Then there is the fact that normally, new rounds contend with one another until most fall away and one comes out ahead, and I think (personal opinion/guess), the .357 Sig will outlast the GAP for those buyers who want something other than the .40, 9MM, or .45acp. It just seems to get more press from what I have seen.

In revolvers the .327 magnum might be the one new round that has a shot at becoming accepted.
 

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Krag, that's interesting, A "Gamesman" round. Thank You for sharing that. Having shot pistol competition for a number of years in the past your observations make perfect sense.

It's a good little round.

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Oldstuffer quoate >>>>Keep track of this one Draybo and bring it back up in about, oh, 5 years, and remind us of the GAP being "here to stay"<<<<

Already did that as a personal note six years ago.......

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Around 6 months after Glock released their new wunder round & the gun press had already ceased hyperventilating about what a revolutionary concept the gap is/was, I wandered into a gunshop on the other side of town. It was the first, last and only place I have actually seen a gap in real life. I asked how it was selling - "Not a single one" was the reply, even though it was heavily discounted by then. Same with ammo, I saw several boxes of genuine gap ammo - no buyers. None of the gunshops on my side of town would ever admit to ever having a GAP in stock & I'd never seen one, so my conclusion was that in a few years, all the hype will have worn off & it'll be just another relic - and so it is today. As for that tired, worn out beef about having wussy little hands & not being able to handle a real Glock 21 - I just gotta call BS on that one. I have tiny little girlie paws, and I've never had any problem with my 21's. Several folks at the range professed hand size deficit syndrome, and all had hands bigger than mine, and every one finally admitted that they just heard the hand tale from someone else. Upon actually trying it out, NONE had any problem whatsoever in handling the Glock 21, nor actually getting great accuracy from their first-ever shots fired from it. Some just didn't like Glocks, plastic, or anything not a 1911, but none had issue with holding on to one.
 

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Sorry, but I've never picked up a Glock that I could hold properly and put the pad of my last finger joint on the trigger. I end up "holding" the grip on the base of my thumb and just barely being able to pull the trigger from the side. Not conducive to hitting anything. And plenty of folks are in this situation. It's not really hand size but finger length that's the problem.
 

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Those as likes them is welcome to have them - but i recommend (if that gun and round is to your taste) stocking up NOW. Gun (or guns0, parts and ammo. LOTS of ammo (or set up to shorten LOTS of REAL .45 cases....).
 

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The advise to stock up on .45 GAP ammunition now, along with brass, bullets, reloading supplies, is good IMHO. I've gotten it down to .22LR, 9mm, .38/.357, and .45 acp and try do do everything I need to with those. 45 GAP may be a good idea, but is it so much better than 9mm, .40, and .45 acp that it will last? The SA XD .45 in chopped form is fine I think, and .45 acp isn't going anywhere. The Glock is an exceptional handgun, they just don't fit me right and I prefer an M1911, P.35, XD grip and angle. Just my thoughts.....
 

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Well if you want a G37, I doubt you'll find a better deal than Bud's: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411538439

Personally I like my G21 and due to the high cost of ammo, I only shoot my P229 in 357Sig when I load up some rounds. As long as I'm reloading, I'll load up some 10mm for my G20...the handgun I shoot the most. I never saw the need to add a 45GAP to my collection because the 45ACP and 10mm do just fine.
 

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Oldstuffer quoate >>>>Keep track of this one Draybo and bring it back up in about, oh, 5 years, and remind us of the GAP being "here to stay"<<<<

Already did that as a personal note six years ago.......

Draybo

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So, you're telling me that it's already been 6 years, and the GAP pistols are virtually unavailable ('cause nobody caries them (because nobody's buying them)), the GAP ammo is virtually unavailable, (same reason(s)), and the brass is virtually unavailable ('cause nobody makes it untill enough people order some, so NONE is made "to stock"), yet, it's "here to stay"....................................

Ok.
Sure.
Whatever you say..................................................... :barf:

I would advise you to buy everything GAP you can, WHILE YOU CAN, because every single indicator (except you), say's it won't be arround long.

Untill Digital TV got mandated by the govt, it too was going to die, because no-one was buying the sets, and tuners, because of the expense and lack of broadcast media (and prevelance of cable/satelite), thus, no-one was making tuners in quantity to get the price down, and no broadcaster was wasting money on transmitters no-one could watch, because no-one was buying the sets to watch them.

Circularity.:(


Maybe .45 GAP will survive (if you can get the fed. govt. to mandate it).

Let us know how that lobying effort goes. :)


Hey, maybe in 70 years, you have a collectable! :cross
 

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