I posted about this M91 several weeks ago. I was told I needed some pictures so hopefully here they are. I brought it home from the store yesterday. The tang is a Tula dated 905r.The stock is Finnish. My guess is that 48 is the serial number as it appears on both the bolt and barrel. What can anyone tell me about this rifle's history. Thanks for any replies.
Tell me about this M91 Serial number 48?
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hmmmm...that's interesting...I always thought the '48' mark is was associated with the "late-date" and/or "no date" / "no-maker" Finnish m39...
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AZF is an Austrian capture mark.
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+1 :thumbsup:
I was so preoccupied with the '48' mark I neglected the WWI capture mark...VERY cool!!...
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Looks like a scrubbed barrel. Font looks similar to a bulgarian I just recently picked up. Receiver is austrian capture correct?
Pics of the stock?
Pics of the stock?
I don't have any pictures of the stock. It is a common looking Finnish with the usual finger splices and mismatched numbers on the magazine and buttplate. There is a very small number "2" stamped on the stock on the bottom near the rear band. The bolt only has "48' stamped near the bolt handle. No other serial numbers. "48" appears twice on the barrel stub, once on top and once on the side. The receiver is scrubbed, faint old markings are barely visible if you look really close with a magnifying glass.
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look for a bulgarian pinecone somewhere on the stock.
I cleaned off the stock so I could see any more markings. I found what looks like the pinecone marking just behind the trigger guard along with another number 2, and a second pinecone on the side of the stock in front of the finger groove. Also on the side of the buttstock is the Finnish stockmakers mark and what looks like the Roman Numeral II, or possibly the capitol letter M.
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This is a WAG. I think these rifles were pulled aside and the barrels were scrubbed. The next process would have been to bore them out and reline them however for one reason or another the next process never happened. The barrels were then renumbered and put back into service.
This is the creative mind of a chef thinking.
This is the creative mind of a chef thinking.
None of your business.
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Hmmmm....the start of a pattern. I thought about P series, but I didn't think that they would have left them un-marked. Is your bolt marked the same as TWalker's rifle? Stock features the same? We need more pics now of both rifles.
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Here are a few pictures;
The bolt is a mismatch, the stock has a lot of been there done that look.
The barrel and receiver match.
It's an old CIA. ST import
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Yes. I have heard of more than one relined Finnish M91's that were not marked with P-2#.
Chef, Thanks for posting the pictures of your rifle. Several things are similar on both our guns. Both have scrubbed barrel stubs, both have been renumbered with low serial numbers, and both have the ll mark on the buttstock, although the marking on mine is smaller and was clearly made by a stamping tool. Mine also is an older CIA import. There are a few differences. The bolt on mine is matching, yours doesn't match, but it might easily have at one time and been replaced later. Mine has the AZF marking but that could have been added after the rifle was scrubbed and renumbered. It seems to me that both rifles might have been scrubbed and renumbered at about the same time and in the same place. The big question is by whom and why? I checked my bore; It has not been relined but it is counterbored
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Ok, I pulled out a 1943 M91 Tikka, a rifle I am certain has not been relined and looked down the breech. I then looked down the breech #135 rifle, they are different. Only from the breech of the #135 rifle can you see a liner.
I will try to take a picture. A breech barrel picture is not an easy shot.
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I will try to take a picture. A breech barrel picture is not an easy shot.
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The liner isn't evident from the muzzle? I may be off base, but if a liner isn't evident from the muzzle I would suspect that the barrel could have a chamber insert or something as a repair or to return a barrel that was rechambered back into 7.62x54r.
The liner on my P-27 is rather obvious at the muzzle.
The liner on my P-27 is rather obvious at the muzzle.
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