bear, thanks for the insult. if i wanted a harley, which i have, i would'nt buy a honda that tried to look like one. never met a smith and wesson i did'nt like, have met a couple of taurus copycats i did'nt care fpr, especially since they were nearly as expensive as what they were copying. to each his own, RaceM asked for opinions, and got them. i think he knew the answer before asking, though.