[jaguar88xj6]

I have a M95 Styer carbine. Need any info I can get. It is in good condition. Wood is only banged up a small amount. No cracks or gouges. All matching numbers on barral, receiver, stock and handguard(only last 2 numbers on hand guard).Rear sight is in Schrit, 6 to 26. Front band has bayonet lug only. Rear band has side mounted sling loop and stock has side sling loop. Front loop is wider than rear. Markings are, top of receiver,w-n, stamping about 1/8" of someting that looks like flower? ,and 12. Styer over M95 only . No S, so must be 8x50R. Serial number 5588p on barral, receiver and stock. 88 only on handguard. Right side of barral and receiver have the small flower? stamp on them. Action is very smooth and metal is dull, with no rust anyware. Bore is dark, but lands are strong right to the end of the barral. My father in law brought this home from the end of WW2, but it was not a battlefield pick up. It was found in a bombed out building, so was probable sitting since WW1. He never fired it, and niether have I. I've had it for the last 40 yrs. Will get pictures as soon as can figuer out how. I have Mausers, Lee Enfiel, Mosins and M1 Garand. Never paid much attention to this one, but now it has my interest. Any help apprieciated. Thanks.
Jim

 

[Nick]

Sounds very interesting! I will wait to see your pictures first. Which country was it taken from - Germany, Austria, other?

 

[jaguar88xj6]

Not sure what country. He was a POW in Stalag 17. He got it after he was liberated. May be awhile for the pictures. Never posted them before. Don't have a photo bucket account.

 

[Nick]

Don't have a photo bucket account.

You don't need a Photobucket account, you can post pictures directly here as long as their size is no more than 300 kB. Click on the "Reply" button, then click on "Advanced", then scroll down until you see the "Manage Attachments" button and go from there.

 

[jaguar88xj6]

Thanks, will try it.

 

[JPS]

Hello Jag,

Looking forward to the photos! Please make note of which side of the top barrel band the slotted screw head is located please. Sounds like an original Cavalry Carbine with the bayonet lug added during WWI.

Nice and quite rare! And matching to boot!!!

Warmest regards,

JPS

 

[Nick]

Here is my early M.95 carbine with an added bayonet lug. Note there is no provision for a stacking rod (it's not just missing) - is yours like that?

 

[jaguar88xj6]

Looks identical to yours. Screws are on the right side also. Pictures comming. Same stampings on barral as yours except mine has 12 instead of 99. What does all this mean? Is it worth anything? I plan on keeping it, even shooting it when I get dies to resize for it. Just curious.. Thanks.
Jim

 

[jaguar88xj6]

Here are some pics.

 

[Nick]

.. Same stampings on barral as yours except mine has 12 instead of 99. What does all this mean?

It means the carbine was proofed & accepted in 1912. Worth anything? Yes, to those who collect Austrian and WWI stuff.

 

[Lovesz]

jaguar88xj6,
What you refer to as a flower is probably the Austrian Eagle mark. They don't always come out clearly.
I'd be interesting in buying your rifle if you ever want to sell it.

"Bugler. Sound the charge." Captain Nathan Brittles.

 

[jaguar88xj6]

Yes it is an Eagle, finally found a magnafying glass. I will keep it thanks. I have quite a few mil serp rifles. I shoot them all except this one. Never had ammo for it. Time to get some dies and make some.

 

[JPS]

Hello Gents,

Nice find Jag!

Mine is a poorly double-struck 1898 acceptance, but it's matching and doesn't have any finish left. It appears that somewhere along the line some idiot tried to "improve the finish!" However, rare is rare and this is the only example I've ever come across for sale.

These were the seller's photos.

Nice find. Somewhere I have the info on when the order was issued to add bayonet lugs to existing carbines? If I can find it I'll add the info to this thread.

Warmest regards,

JPS

 

[AndyB]

John Your unit marking is little strange for a cavalry carbine? A21??

 

[JPS]

Hi Andy,

Cavalry carbine by design and as a model designation, which has nothing to do with what unit it was issued to during the WWI. A unit marking does not change the model designation of any weapon.

Bayonet lugs were added to surviving cavalry carbines during the war so they could be issued universally as was the case with the Karabinerstutzen as well as the Stutzenkarabiner.

The retaining screw for the top barrel band of the cavalry carbine is inserted from the right side of the weapon. On all of the other M95 variants the retaining screw is inserted from the left side.

The M95 Karabiner was primarily issued to the cavalry when originally introduced, however there were other units that would have received them in much smaller numbers.

The stacking hook that was intended for stacking arms was absent on the M95 Karabiner since it was to be carried slung across the back with the butt stock nestled into a special loop on the back of the belt issued to mounted troops, hence the side mounted sling swivels versus the original M95 Stutzen which only had swivels underneath the lower barrel band and butt-stock of the weapon.

JPS

 

[jaguar88xj6]

Very interesting comments. I'm learning alot. Thanks all. What is an estimated value?

 

[John Sukey In Memoriam]

Paid $100 for mine But the cost of the dies was a nasty surprise. You don't have to make ammo, at least not the brass, it is commercialy available.
Keep in mind there are TWO different rounds. 8x50R and 8x56R. It should be marked as to which one on the reciever

 

[AndyB]

Hi John, sorry it wasnt mean bad, i only asked for explanation of the unit,it could be the buttplate is not origin there, i still dont have a info about A stamp? Certainly a nice carbine.Thanks,Andy

 

[JPS]

Hi John, sorry it wasnt mean bad, i only asked for explanation of the unit,it could be the buttplate is not origin there, i still dont have a info about A stamp? Certainly a nice carbine.Thanks,Andy

Hi Andy,

My apologies if my response came across as stiff. My comments were not intended in a negative or personal manner and my sincerest apologies if they came across that way. It was an extremely difficult day and I generally try not to let business effect my time here on the Forum and vice-versa. Obviously my efforts don't always win out! I'm truly sorry!

Your question was thoughtful and legitimate. I'm still overseas and do not have access to my files on the K.u.K. unit marking and do not know this unit designation of the top of my head???

Nick???....T.P.???.....DocAv???

Thanks Andy as it is an interesting question. My apologies for the terseness of my comments. I promise you it was not directed at you personally, just a long and rather bad day overall.

Warmest regards,

John

 

[oldpaul]

On Manowars site they show the "A" unit marking as "Theresianisch Militarakademie". Other web sources show that as a very old (1600's) to present Academy, sometimes military sometimes other needs. Possible? Regards, Tom