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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
This long posting series by this board's moderator Dutchman is one of the most remarkable research endeavours of the Second Board. I thus think it is of special importance to conserve it.

However, the present board software makes a meaningful presentation in its original form impossible. We have to do away with the thumbnails feature for this article; in fact, the pictures can only be perused and compared fruitfully if they appear within the text directly.

That means that the articles must be uploaded directly to an external image server. I need your help here. Yes, you --> with the m/96 in the closet and the fingers on the keyboard, who is right now reading these lines. Please contact me via email.

Now, I shall import the (comparatively short) article texts first. This was a posting in 7 sequels. The numbering will remain, but the parts will be combined by me within this thread.

Part 1
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 01:21:19 AM
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Carl Gustaf 1914 m/41b sniper s/n 329925:
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Full original serial number and an added three digit 925 above:
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Three digit barrel shank stamp:
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Crown/S for the Stockholm army workshop where the m/41b built:
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Part 2
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 01:29:30 AM
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Carl Gustaf m/96 1914 s/n 23623. This receiver is a replacement for a Mauser Oberndorf m/96 built in 1899. The rifle has many original Mauser parts but the stock is forced matched.

With the triple crown FSR property mark branded into stock.
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Replacement barrel showing both a Husqvarna tilted crown and Carl Gustaf crown/C stamp as well as one other plain crown stamp:
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Crown/HV stamp has not been seen before.
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Rear face of magazine box, upside down, showing the M for what we believe to indicate Mauser Oberndorf manufacture. The fractur S seems to show up only on Mauser Oberndorf parts but not all.
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Edited by - Dutchman on 05/03/2007 01:30:31 AM



Dutchman
Posted - 05/06/2007 : 8:38:47 PM
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Originally posted by Dutchman:
Crown/HV stamp has not been seen before.
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Standard Directory of Proofmarks by Wirnsberger (about $14 from www.brownells.com):
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Is this it?



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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 11:04:11 PM
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That appears correct to me . It was probably done while in the hands of the FSR . Similar, as the Schultz & Larsen barrels used on CG63's . Appearently these shooters were willing to go outside of Sweden for barrels . Good research on your part , Dutchman .



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Posted - 05/07/2007 : 01:23:44 AM
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Would this gun have been owned by an individual or by a shooting club--Wondered what the statement "FSR Property brand" meant; Dutchman, the consistent academic and philosphical basis you bring to this forum and the swedish mauser field of study in general is just awsome; Thank you for another awsome post. MD



Dutchman
Posted - 05/07/2007 : 6:38:21 PM
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The triple crown brand burned into the stock would indicate FSR ownership... at one time. Was it sold off to an individual at some point? We don't know that and a lot of other details we'll never know. We can only ~read~ the writing that's on the wall, as it were.
I'd put the triple crown brand in the same catagory as the C1900 marked stocks. They're out there in numbers great enough that we seen them fairly frequently... online.. but not in person. But they're not really rare or scarce. In the decades down the road they most certainly will bring a premium and should be viewed as a premium marking now.

Its a little bothersum that we haven't seen this crown/HV stamp before on any Swedish barrels. Of course, since we haven't seen every single Swedish barrel we can't say what the previlence is for this mark. Still, there it is and at this point we can only say the likelihood is great that its a Danish barrel, not that its 100% certain. I'd prefer we avoid absolutes until we know a lot more than this. But it is interesting that the barrel shank also has the HVA and CG crowns.

MauserDoc-- You have 50+ Swedish Mausers, yes? Some weekend when you're not entertaining nubile femailians with loud music and lotsa wine, you can lay out all your crufflervapen on the living room floor and hallway and kitchen and patio and one by one, take them apart and ~read~ them crown to buttplate screw. You'll probably be surprised at what you find when you know there's actually some little tidbit of evidence trying to tell you something about where that rifle's been in its life and why it is the way it appears. There are so many revealing revelations in firearms research that we have to leave as ??? until we can hold it in our hands and *see* it with our own eyes. I'm still learning and I've been doing this a long time. I've had a lot of help with this along the way and in no small part thanks to our co-moderator, "Swede", Anders, Petter and others.... oh.. can't forget Dana Jones:) Dana's the one who took up the gauntlet and whipped the old horse until she gave up as many details as she could. There are also plenty of forum regulars who get into different aspects of Swedish military firearms like the CG63 and m/41 that I don't own, or the Ag42b that I no longer own. I count on Jim in Oregon for his experience with the Ag42b, and Jim the Barber (MP78) to add what he's learned and observed. This is not a one man dog & pony show.

The area that I'm most interested in researching now are the Oberndorf m/94 carbines and m/96 rifles. This is the area that will provide the greatest level of frustration for collectors in the future if we don't do some legwork now. I'm in the process now of writing out a long, detailed "Assessment of m/96 Collectability & Valuation". Hope I get it done before summer ends..

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Part 3
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 01:34:57 AM
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Mauser Oberndorf 1895 m/94 carbine s/n 3525:
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Careful analysis of this bolt knob stamping has revealed that the original two digit Mauser stamping was added by the Swedish to include the whole serial number:
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Rear view of magazine box shows the two digit stamping and the M for Mauser upside down (or the other way around):
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Part 4
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 01:37:45 AM
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Mauser Oberndorf 1895 m/94 carbine s/n 8044:
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The rear side of the magazine box shows the original two digit 44 was amended with the typical Swedish third digit as were many of the other parts on this carbine. Has the M for Mauser Oberndorf.
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Part 5
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 01:39:26 AM
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Husqvarna m/96 target rifle 1943 s/n 689087. Has Söderin diopter sights.
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Stock is stamped on flat edge of forearm 3092. Barrel has CÖ inspector stamp. The number 598 is stamped in the barrel channel.
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81 stamped on barrel shank is unknown.
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Part 7
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 01:48:04 AM
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Husqvarna m/96 target rifle 1942 s/n 144588 is a replacement receiver for a 1904 Carl Gustaf m/96. The parts are a mixture of HVA and CG. The triggerguard shown is an original Mauser Oberndorf stamped 810 with the fractur S and the M for Mauser stamp.
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Mauser Oberndorf 1895 m/94-14 carbine s/n 6407. Rear face of magazine box shows correct German two digit stamping along with the M for Mauser Oberndorf.
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Mauser Oberndorf 1895 m/94 carbine s/n 35. Has the M for Mauser Oberndorf. We may assume this to be first day production in 1895. The carbine is featured at the House of Karlina. Its not the prettiest as its seen much better days but serves its purpose now as an aid in researching early Mauser Oberndorf production methods.
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Mauser Oberndorf 1895 m/94 carbine s/n 30... yes, 5 digits away from the one above. Appears as all Mauser Oberndorf markings with the inclusion of the centerpunch marking.
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Mauser Oberndorf 1895 m/94-14 carbine s/n 11959. Has the typical M for Mauser Oberndorf and the factory correct two digit stamping. There is also an added centerpunch marking that hasn't been seen before. It must certainly have some meaning but we just don't know...
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