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The Japanese "Type I" rifle did lend itself more easily to sporterization, due to the convenient ("Mauser style") staggered internal box magazine and the hinged magazine bottom. While today the Type I rifles would rather be collected as such, numerous ones were sporterized and/or converted in the past.
The following thread serves as a reminder that the chambering (or even the caliber) may also have been changed during the process without that this would necessarily have been marked on the gun, to take due care if acquiring such a sporter; it might no longer be in 6,5x50 SR Arisaka!

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RonM
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 6:02:05 PM
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I picked up a bubba sporter with the receiver, barrel and trigger parts marked with crowns over the letters PB. It has a arisaka type carcano magazine and a arisaka stock. It appears to be 6.5, but it is not 6.5 jap or 6.5 carcano. A 6.5 swede looks about right in the camber, but the chamber is a little short for it. What the heck is this thing?



Atlpete
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 7:28:33 PM
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You sure it's not 6.5 Japanese? sounds like a sportered Type I, maybe with the barrel and chamber re-worked to 7.62 or something like that? I think the Chinese did that to some of them post-war, not sure though. Beretta(as in PB)made Type I's, if you get us the serial off the barrel root we could cross reference it with the database maybe get you something more definitive. JPEGS wouldn't hurt either.
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RonM
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 10:03:55 PM
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Serial number is K 1362. It has a small emblem lightly stamped below the ser number that is shaped like the letter U on the bottom, but cant make the rest of it out. The barrel and receiver each have a L above an L on them. There are no other markings. A 6.5 jap drops into the chamber very loose and the base is well within the chamber. The bolt holds the base of a 6.5 swede nice and snug. The jap and carcano fit too loose for the extractor to grab them properly. Also the crowns all look just like the crowns that mark all the parts on my sweedish mausers. It obviousy had a mauser type rear sight ring and base before it was removed and replaced with a solder on dovetail base. Front sight was also replaced with a sporter base with a dovetail. I cant figure out the caliber. This was a pawnshop gun and was pawned becase the previous owner didnt know the caliber either.



RonM
Posted - 04/30/2004 : 10:07:39 PM
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Also a 6.5 bullet sets in the lads and grooves at the crown the same as it does in a swede or carcano. So it is probably 6.5.



greggdw
Posted - 05/02/2004 : 03:16:29 AM
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if it is a type I it could be rechambered to 6.5x55mm or 6.5x257 roberts.this would have been done in the US.the jap ammo used to be impossible to find and many sporter arisaka rifles have been rechambered to 6.5x257 roberts.i saw that it is not a 6.5x55mm so find a 257 roberts case and try that.it may also be a 6.5x250 savage.



Franchi
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 4:29:19 PM
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By the serial it is an Italian "Type I". Original caliber was 6.5 Japanese. The "crown" markings are Italian.



RonM
Posted - 05/03/2004 : 9:22:39 PM
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You guys are great. It is 257 roberts. Thanks for all the info.
 

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Type I Sporter in .257 Roberts

ralph h
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 9:21:38 PM
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Greetings, Gentlemen,

I rebarreled a Type1, which is the same as Carcano, almost. Started it as a high school Industrial Arts project in 1952. Finished it a year later, after I quit school. Biggest mistake I ever made. Quitting school, that is. I don't recall any great problems doing the job.

The barrel is 20" long. A Johnson featherweight in .257 Roberts. Has a fully adjustable trigger of my own design. Lyman Alaskan scope with a Litschert 6 power objective attachment. Mounted in an Echo side mount. Stock is curly maple. Quick release floor plate. Trigger guard from old 10 guage shotgun. Bent the bolt handle a little bit. Has always been a real tack driver.
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Hope this message inspires you to commence on a similar project.
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Regards, Ralph.
Boy, I love these old guns.....



48mauser
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 9:35:01 PM
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Ralph H. did going to the .257 Roberts require any mods to the receiver like the 8mm conversions? I'll bet it's a real joy to shoot in .257 Roberts.



ralph h
Posted - 06/08/2005 : 10:02:32 PM
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48mauser,

The magazine is like a mauser, and the 257 Roberts was very close to the size of the original cartridge. About the only thing I had to do was radius the rear of the follower so it wouldn't stop the forward motion of the bolt, and clean up the side rails so as not to scratch the cases. No modification to extractor or bolt face was needed.
 

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ralph h
Posted - 05/19/2006 : 6:59:43 PM
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Greetings, Gentlemen,

One day, in 1953, I was visiting my dad in his shop. In his junk barrel I found a partial Type 1 action, missing the barrel, stock, and other small parts. I asked him if I could have it. He said sure, but he didn't know what I wanted with that old piece of junk. I spent almost a year of my spare time and came up with this.

Johnson feather weight barrel, adjustable trigger, maple stock, trigger guard from old 10 gauge shotgun, Lyman Alaskan scope( Litschert 6 power objective lens) in an Echo side mount. Was and is a real tack driver. Finished when I was 18 years old.

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