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Thought y'all might find this interesting. Picked it up at a pawn shop a few years ago. Price was ok, and at least Bubba didn't cut the barrel. Maybe I'll find a stock one day. Back in 1999 - 2000 I bought several lots of these with broken stocks as Century "U-fixems", and was successful at fitting them to Swedish M96 stocks. Sold them to buddies at work for shooters. Think I paid maybe 5 for $75, and $25 each for complete M96 stock sets.
Plant Wood Air gun Trigger Bicycle part
Wood Wood stain Plank Natural material Hardwood
Bumper Motor vehicle Material property Wood Bicycle part
Wood Bumper Automotive exterior Rim Bicycle part
Wood Bumper Bicycle part Metal Auto part
Tire Wheel Bicycle wheel Bicycle frame Bicycle tire
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Very cool. Is that the Israeli Star of David on the receiver?
Very cool. Is that the Israeli Star of David on the receiver?
Not OP, but it appears to be a Turkish marking: https://silahreport.com/2020/04/19/stars-and-rifles-part-1-ottoman-hexagram-proof-marks/
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It is a 6 pointed star. Maybe somebody who knows more than me will comment. I believe it is a Ludwig Loewe marking.
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Turkish 1893/33 7,9 conversion. Many still had original Turko-Arabic script on siderail, denoting L.Loewe and year of manufacture.
What has been done to the Cutoff box and lever?
Fully removed ( milled away) or just Lever ground flat to box surface?
Over 130 years old now...
Use only light jacketed or cast lead loads...definitely no European or Milsurp 7,9 loads!
DocAV
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DocAV,
In this case are the 6 pointed stars part of the Loewe Manufacturer’s marking or something done by or at the request of the Ottomans? In the book, there are pictures of a Spanish Loewe made rifle with similar stars. Are they Star of David related to Loewes Jewish heritage?
I’ll post a better picture of the cut off box this evening. Lever ground flat I think. It also has very lightly engraved, Bubba’s actual name. “Wilbur Mincy”.
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DocAV,
In this case are the 6 pointed stars part of the Loewe Manufacturer’s marking or something done by or at the request of the Ottomans? In the book, there are pictures of a Spanish Loewe made rifle with similar stars. Are they Star of David related to Loewes Jewish heritage?
This is a vexing question.
The six-pointed star ( Hexagram) is a part of Arabic iconography, seen in building decorations going back to the 1200s and earlier. I think the Judaic connection is co-incidental, as the M1903, 05 and 08 Mausers, made by Mauser and not L.Loewe had hexagrams as well. ( even though L.L. held a controlling interest in MauserWerk up till 1897, whereupon DWM was formed from L.L., after the
FN licensing court case.
DWM was owned by L.L as stockholders, as were several German Banks, Jewish and Gentile.
In fact, the DWM incorporation was partly to deflect Anti-Semitic bias against such Military Industrialists as L.L.,
The Anti-Semitic feeling in German culture was quite strong in the 1890s. As it was in France..."L'affaire Dreyfus."
Not as bad as the 1930s, of course, but still virulent in a more subtle, commercial manner.
But the true reason for the Hexagrams is lost in History...my take is that it is Turkish inspired.
DocAV
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This is interesting. My initial thought when I purchased the rifle was to restore it. I am having second thoughts. It is still a very cool rifle, and now it's use as a sporting rifle is part of it's long history. The fact that the person who used it has a name certainly adds something to it. Wilbur Mincey. Here is his obituary:
WILBER MINCEY OBITUARY
Wilber was born on September 4, 1940 and passed away on Saturday, January 13, 2018. Wilber was a resident of Swainsboro, Georgia at the time of passing. Interment: Swainsboro City Cemetery Pallbearers: Nephews and Friends Flowerbearers Nieces, Friends, Classmates, and Volunteers Mr. Mincey was a native of Nunez, Georgia and a member of the Gethsemane Baptist Church, as a deacon, Secretary, and choir member.He graduated from Emanuel County School, and Swainsboro Technical College in the field of electronics. Funeral services will be held Saturday 01/20/2018 at 1:00 P.M. at the St. Philip Baptist Church with the Rev.Bennie Brinson officiating, assisted by Presiding Elder John Bass. Interment: Swainsboro City Cemetery Pallbearers: Nephews and Friends Flowerbearers Nieces, Friends, Classmates, and Volunteers Mr. Mincey was a native of Nunez, Georgia and a member of the Gethsemane Baptist Church, as a deacon, Secretary, and choir member.He graduated from Emanuel County School, and Swainsboro Technical College in the field of electronics.
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My sister bought a Turkish coffee maker in a box lot at an auction. I am sure the whole box was less than $5. In the coffee maker was a rolled up dirty flag. It was a small Turkish flag of red cloth and painted on it is the star and crescent. The star is six pointed. I would love to know what period it would date from. It passes the black lite test and seems to be all cotton. There is no sewing on the edges, it may have been cut from a larger piece of material.
Ludwig Loewe I believe was blamed for the 1888 rifle blowups with the "Judenflinte" anti- Semitic pamphlet from Herman Aledort. Not to get "political", knew death camp survivors with the tatoos long ago, loved them dearly, found a Loewe 1888, 1888-05 non-Turk, cleaned bug nests out of barrel, shot acceptably with Rem-Umc and Winchester "8mm", so the middle toes to Aledort. Please delete If anyone finds offensive. Still looking for english text "JF", German text was read to me much later.
Turkish 1893/33 7,9 conversion. Many still had original Turko-Arabic script on siderail, denoting L.Loewe and year of manufacture.
What has been done to the Cutoff box and lever?
Fully removed ( milled away) or just Lever ground flat to box surface?
Over 130 years old now...
Use only light jacketed or cast lead loads...definitely no European or Milsurp 7,9 loads!
DocAV
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Wood Bumper Rectangle Automotive exterior Hardwood
Air gun Trigger Auto part Bumper Automotive exterior
Wood Bumper Rectangle Automotive exterior Hardwood
Air gun Trigger Auto part Bumper Automotive exterior
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I am a believer that the hexogram is an Ottoman mark. This article is very intriguing.
I am a believer that the hexogram is an Ottoman mark. This article is very intriguing.
One hint about the Hexagram mark:
this kind of hex mark was already used for the Turk Mauser M1887 (Oberndorf made), together with lots of other specific inspection marks. A detailed pic is in Ball's book MMRotW, page 377 (5th ed). The Turk Mauser M1890 used the Hexagram mark as well.

The Hexagram mark on Loewe-made Mausers (Spanish M93 and similar) is slightly different: here the hex has lines in the inside. Shown in the Spanish Mauser M1893 section of MMRotW, p. 345 onwards

Turk M1887:
Motor vehicle Font Parallel Publication Screenshot


Spanish M1893:
Trigger Font Gun barrel Gun accessory Auto part

hope this is helpful, Chris
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Thank you, Chris
I see the difference. There are several more on the lower receiver, the stock end cap.
I like your new rifle, but what town in S. Georgia are you raiding?
This one came from Swainsboro. “Crossroads of the Great South”
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This one came from Swainsboro. “Crossroads of the Great South”
I was afraid you were raiding in either Bainbridge or Thomasville.
My happy hunting grounds are mostly SE Georgia. Might have to do a raid across I75 one of these days! I work in Swainsboro. Wish I could come up with location map for Roses department stores circa 1989.
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