Sorry, i came to these boards to get info on Mausers. As far as this whole arguement goes my view is " Rifles are meant to be shot, not stuck in a vacuum sealed glass display case.". Honestly the only real difference between a Russian captured and american vet captured is what was done to them after they were acquired. All comes down to what the person with the dollars is interested in spending his money on.
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wrong again chimp. look at the yes/no poll. you ARE a poo flinger.
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Well said. "My" collection currently consists of 103 rifles, of which the Mauser sub set is probably the smallest. That being said I do have a couple of RC's and, from professional (Sotheby's) research, one S/27 all original. Being callous and having too much money, I shoot every one of my "collection" at least once (including a 1873 Winchester made in 1881 that came right out of the original Winchester wooden shipping box!). The RC's actually are better performers, guess I'll have to collect more RC's and originals and do a complete range test!
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I strongly suggest that you do post the stats you have collected pertaining to the poll results. Let the chips fall where they may. It would reinforce the credibility of polls on this forum.
I spent a good part of my career working Internet related cases. The perception people generally have (sleazebags and net hero's especially) that the Internet is a place where one can operate covertly is for the most part an illusion. The fact of the matter is that electronic fingerprints are left all along the trail. You just need to know how to mine them.
As an aside, I recently handled a case where I used a software product that I hadn't used in a while. This concordancing product essentially identifies language, spelling, sentence structure, etc. patterns in written communications. The goal being to prove who wrote what separate from ID or audit trail evidence. Because I hadn't used it in a while I did a practice analysis on some recent communication I had received from different “friendly” sources that I felt were suspicious. This practice analysis revealed that one person was at most authoring or at very least contributing significantly to another person’s communications to me. Smoking gun evidence of truly pathetic and gutless behavior. Needless to say such intel is a great tool in future business and personal decision making. Imagine what such a product would reveal on the forums?
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It would be interesting to see "who" was the dup voter (would be hilarious to see who was that committed to the end result!) but for the most part the polls are not going to be meaningful as this forum (like most probably) are made up of different types of people. Meaning that some are meaningless to the hobby and in 3 months will have never be noted to have ever been here, they came over some video game or whatever.
There is no way to separate the people who are long term collectors (some who clearly think the rc is collectable from a “German military rifle” perspective) - those who will stay in the hobby for any meaningful time frame or who will contribute something meaningful. The poll would only have merit if you could separate those people as obviously they exist amongst long term or potentially long term collectors.
Anyway, the only issue for me is finding out who is who and these polls and this thread have done that- it helps in finding like minded individuals and separate those who are not people I want to associate with.
Very revealing and for that purpose alone this has made the time wasted well worth it.
There is no way to separate the people who are long term collectors (some who clearly think the rc is collectable from a “German military rifle” perspective) - those who will stay in the hobby for any meaningful time frame or who will contribute something meaningful. The poll would only have merit if you could separate those people as obviously they exist amongst long term or potentially long term collectors.
Anyway, the only issue for me is finding out who is who and these polls and this thread have done that- it helps in finding like minded individuals and separate those who are not people I want to associate with.
Very revealing and for that purpose alone this has made the time wasted well worth it.
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yep, you said it. polls and threads are made up of different types of people but in reality it is different types of opinions that matter and the majority always matters, well, in a democracy anyway. that democracy is a far cry from where you are in your own little world. polls show most contrast you. but then again everyone who opposes you is either stupid or an idiot. well said in most of the posts where you insult anyone at any time. typical arrogance as we all know. yes, i tried to be civil yet again but you keep flinging the poo like the chimp you are. well, maybe you are back on your sugar high you bad bad little primate. you really need to stick to your bananas and grapes.
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I tidbit for people who never got past the 6th grade.. we live in a Republic. Our form of government is based upon a representative government- otherwise it would REALLY be screwed up because mass voting would allow morons such as yourself be involved in every decision..
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and you are so intelligent your must be a senator, congressman, mayor...wait you have to be well liked by the public to get voted in so that would be wrong.
as always, you are and always will be a snide little chimp.
Too bad. It would have been fun to out anyone trying to skew results.
Yep - lots of tools out there today to mine and ID patterns in all sorts of things.
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i may not have the biggest collection but i have collected rifles for the last 30 years and have sold or traded off more than i have but i still think that the rc has a place in the collector hobby.they may or may not have seen a lot of action but they did end up in the russian hands so being a captured weapon does make it desireable to many.now from a collector point of view i would rather have a rifle that saw action than one that was from a ware house and never used or a rear guard rifle that was matching and never got dirty.they are all german made but most of the rc rifles had to have been somewhere where that fighting took place .i
i may not have the biggest collection but i have collected rifles for the last 30 years and have sold or traded off more than i have but i still think that the rc has a place in the collector hobby.they may or may not have seen a lot of action but they did end up in the russian hands so being a captured weapon does make it desireable to many.now from a collector point of view i would rather have a rifle that saw action than one that was from a ware house and never used or a rear guard rifle that was matching and never got dirty.they are all german made but most of the rc rifles had to have been somewhere where that fighting took place .i
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Scott B. got me to thinking about a disagreement I had with a fellow on another board over a rifle on gunboard. So I went and copied several gunboard descriptions that he had and compared them to his comments in the thread where we disagreed.
He had denied having involvement with the gunboard rifle (different logon on names). But anyway after looking at the writing characteristics of both. I could find three very distinct things that both writers used.
I'd bet my bottom dollar it is the same guy. Very interesting how we have common elements in what we do and say. Funny how if you misspell a word, you'll do it every time.
Off topic, I know but Scott's comment made me think about it.
He had denied having involvement with the gunboard rifle (different logon on names). But anyway after looking at the writing characteristics of both. I could find three very distinct things that both writers used.
I'd bet my bottom dollar it is the same guy. Very interesting how we have common elements in what we do and say. Funny how if you misspell a word, you'll do it every time.
Off topic, I know but Scott's comment made me think about it.
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Look, here is where the disconnect is people....YOU may think that RC's have a place in the collectors realm....I do not have to agree. I haven't seen ANYWHERE where someone on these boards said they think RC's are not collectible, and therefore YOU should not collect them (you in the general sense). As was pointed out....YOU may think petrified cow poo is collectible, I may not. Doesn't mean you cannot or should not collect petrified cow poo...I would just choose not to.
And I will argue this point....how do you know any particular RC saw any action. You think the Russians only took those they picked up off the field, or do you think maybe they packed up depots as they captured them and shipped them home? I would lay money that any RC has just as much chance having been a depot queen as some been there, saw that rifle off the battlefield....
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pzjgr.... you didn't look hard enough. this is a post that kind of got the fingers typing more than normal the last few days:
"rc's are a barreled receiver, a refinished barreled receiver.. they are nothing more, they are, err well, err garbage. From a collectors pov they are junk.
I know they deserve respect, they were at Stalingrad etc.. but they are still junk.
If you want a re-enactor piece, something to hold during re-runs of "Band of Brothers" (a Garand would be more appropriate through..) or you can't find a swjXE, 35/ERMA or 35/Borsigwalde then ok, but otherwise you are a sucker and will be sorry when you sell.
Tough love Bro, they are junk- All Caps JUNK.. avoid them if you can.. buy a bolt m/m for $100 more?"
and from there the ball got rolling down hill fast and partly because of what was stated above but mostly because of the blatant insults towards sarge.
"rc's are a barreled receiver, a refinished barreled receiver.. they are nothing more, they are, err well, err garbage. From a collectors pov they are junk.
I know they deserve respect, they were at Stalingrad etc.. but they are still junk.
If you want a re-enactor piece, something to hold during re-runs of "Band of Brothers" (a Garand would be more appropriate through..) or you can't find a swjXE, 35/ERMA or 35/Borsigwalde then ok, but otherwise you are a sucker and will be sorry when you sell.
Tough love Bro, they are junk- All Caps JUNK.. avoid them if you can.. buy a bolt m/m for $100 more?"
and from there the ball got rolling down hill fast and partly because of what was stated above but mostly because of the blatant insults towards sarge.
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you are right that about that but who is to say how many were captured from depots but they still have a part of history,also you or anyone else does not have to agree with the people that thinks that they have some collector value.if they are to be called junk than anything not matching or rebuilt would be junk also.people will collect what they like and alot of stuff i think is junk is a great find to them .if no one collected the rc or wanted one then they would have been sold for scrap.i still like to find all matching guns but i also enjoy the mm just as much.like the saying goes some people junk are other peoples treasures.i would not take a matching k98 out to a reenacting event because i would be takeing a chance on hurting the value of it, even when i take my rc i still take care of it because it has a purpose .
you are right that about that but who is to say how many were captured from depots but they still have a part of history,also you or anyone else does not have to agree with the people that thinks that they have some collector value.if they are to be called junk than anything not matching or rebuilt would be junk also.people will collect what they like and alot of stuff i think is junk is a great find to them .if no one collected the rc or wanted one then they would have been sold for scrap.i still like to find all matching guns but i also enjoy the mm just as much.like the saying goes some people junk are other peoples treasures.i would not take a matching k98 out to a reenacting event because i would be takeing a chance on hurting the value of it, even when i take my rc i still take care of it because it has a purpose .
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If the mauser is one of the best actions ever made, then in no way can a Russian capture be considered junk. The Russian captured rifles serve their purpose well. They can be put back to original condition true, but will never be matching. In my opinion there is no need to own a gun, a car, a camera, or whatever without it being used. Of course if it is a mechanical issue then I understand. With that being said, that's why a person would use there old beat up truck to haul junk in instead of the new one one if they had two trucks. Same with the RC's, use it without fear of scratching it or beating it up.
If the mauser is one of the best actions ever made, then in no way can a Russian capture be considered junk. The Russian captured rifles serve their purpose well. They can be put back to original condition true, but will never be matching. In my opinion there is no need to own a gun, a car, a camera, or whatever without it being used. Of course if it is a mechanical issue then I understand. With that being said, that's why a person would use there old beat up truck to haul junk in instead of the new one one if they had two trucks. Same with the RC's, use it without fear of scratching it or beating it up.
Good job! The nice thing about forums is that they provide a depth of writing examples for analysis and comparison. This insures that match data (sentence structure, words, phrases, etc.) results are extremely reliable.Scott B. got me to thinking about a disagreement I had with a fellow on another board over a rifle on gunboard. So I went and copied several gunboard descriptions that he had and compared them to his comments in the thread where we disagreed.
He had denied having involvement with the gunboard rifle (different logon on names). But anyway after looking at the writing characteristics of both. I could find three very distinct things that both writers used.
I'd bet my bottom dollar it is the same guy. Very interesting how we have common elements in what we do and say. Funny how if you misspell a word, you'll do it every time.
Off topic, I know but Scott's comment made me think about it.
Interesting isn't it - what some will do to manipulate others actions or thoughts. Most often the product of not being able to make a successful case with conventional tools like evidence and intellect and/or to cover ethical lapses or inconsistencies for which they do not wish to be held accountable.
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