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2 things need happen, and will; A computer forensic specialist team will have to present evidence in court, even if its just that a foreign country has the servers that service our Elections, and then the further damage. Its not really something they will flaunt untill the Discovery phase of the courts, second, the Electoral Collage will certify the Election, or it wont. Whoever is declared winner by the Electoral collage will be the POTUS elect, and not a moment before.

DK, even when you do not agree with me, you are always respectful and come up with very interesting questions and provoke allot of thought, and thats much appreciated by me. I look forward to the conversations here, and unlike many many outlets that simply state things and go or go crazy, often before the discussion can be had, or they shut it down when they feel wrong or are proven so.
I much appreciate everyone here who can actually discuss situations, inform ,change minds and just act like adults in general :D
 

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Like I said, this election has been an ambush by the DoJ to end nefarious actors in our system. It will work its way thru the courts and those responsible for subverting the will of the American People will be held responsible.
I sort of hope you are correct, as it will be the end of Biden and the MODERN Democratic Party if so. Those would be good. Might not be very good for the nation, long term (but a Biden/Demonrat DNC administration won't be, either). I dunno.
 

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Sidney Powell triples-down on the Scytl servers this morning on Glenn Beck’s radio show:

I sort of hope you are correct, as it will be the end of Biden and the MODERN Democratic Party if so. Those would be good. Might not be very good for the nation, long term (but a Biden/Demonrat DNC administration won't be, either). I dunno.
I think it would be fantastic to have the Democratic Party back and a return to fact based, reasoned debate offering American's a viable choice towards a common goal in our Politics. The racism, hate, and intolerance of the contemporary Democrats must go.

The Democrats are literally using the specter of racism in the exact same way the Chinese Communist Party used "Class Struggle" during Mao's Cultural Revolution as a hammer to silence all opposition.
 

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Thinking about moving this to the GOM forum. You’ll get some likes there Davidsog, people there will be shocked at the (completely discredited) German server. But here It’s no longer about the RKBA.

It’s a tough call - Biden’s election may definitely affect gun rights, so it’s remained open here. OTH more people will chime in over on the GOM, and it’s a better place for conspiracy theories.
 

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, people there will be shocked at the (completely discredited) German server. But here It’s no longer about the RKBA.

It’s a tough call - Biden’s election may definitely affect gun rights, so it’s remained open here. OTH more people will chime in over on the GOM, and it’s a better place for conspiracy theories.

What is discredited about the Scytl Servers? The idiots on the internet saying the US Army did not conduct a raid? Apparently that is true. The US Army seems to have played a supporting role. Especially when one considers the fact a unilateral US Army raid upon foreign soil is an act of war. I highly doubt the US Army is doing unilateral armed raids in allied countries. More likely, the intel was passed to the host nation and host nation Law Enforcement with US Army Support conducted the operation. That a bankrupt Spanish Company Scytl has denied any involvement? That is true. Does anyone expect them to do anything else but deny involvement???

None of that has any material fact as to what is now making it's way thru the court system. None of those internet fact checkers have access to classified information. None, they are all simply guessing away.

Who does know? The President of the United States and his legal team along with all the agencies that participated. I think they had a new conference a few days ago, LOL.
 

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I would be amazed if it did not affect firearms over there.He seems hostile to certain kinds of firearms and if the opportunity presents itself I am sure he will take it.
Same regulated system in Australia:
One National Electoral Commission ( Federal Public Servants). The AEC controls Federal and State Rolls, oversees Local Gov't Rolls ( Residents) and even runs Labour Union Elections!
Voting is Compulsory for all 18+ Citizens ( immigrants, legal or otherwise, don't vote until Naturalised.)
If you don't vote, you will get a "please explain", and if your answer is not satisfactory or "bolshie", you get a fine.
Procedure:
Theoretically, all Citizens are on the Roll ( either from 18 years, or from transfer of Residence -- notification of address change obligatory within 3 months.
Random checks are done by Mail.)
Election date announced...usually 3 to 8 weeks ahead ( some States now have Fixed 4 year Terms, with virtually fixed ( Saturday) dates; Federal are still 3 year terms, Every Member HR, half Senate.
Election Day: Voters line up, go to Roll checker, have Name and Address lined out on Roll ( ID is optional), given Voting paper/s
And directed to Booth to complete Vote, before placing in
Prefab Cardboard Urns, sealed with numbered zip ties.
Absentee Vote ( different Electorate) are done at a special Booth with special Envelopes ( a non-Postal Postal vote) and a declaration signed about residence etc.
Postal Votes go to the AEC office, and are then distributed to Electorate Office.
Post Mark date must be before Election Date ( no Postal Service Saturday).
Pre-poll days...up to two weeks before election date: usually one or two places per electoral District...votes consolidated at Central Electoral Office for Electorate.
Counting: each Booth ( at close of Voting) collect all Vote boxes
( of the Day), and allow Inspection By Scrutineers ( one or two per candidate, signed in, and Identified as Scrutineers ( at close ( 6pm) doors are locked, by Chief Electoral Officer of that Polling Place.)
Voting Boxes are confirmed by Numbered Tags, which are cut to allow opening of foldable Cardboard boxes, and emptied on Counting Tables ( set up as single surface.) .Box is confirmed empty by Scrutineers.
A scrutineer may NOT Touch any ballot paper, only Visually inspect it as to Validity....Formal or Informal ( void).
AEC workers ( sworn) start unfolding and separating votes according to #1 candidate ( Voting is obligatory Preferential, mark by number all squares.)
Scrutineers can give opinion as to Validity of a vote, but final say is by CEO. In any case, disputed votes are kept separate for further examination at HQ.
Once all the cast votes are counted, and matched to number of Ballot Papers issued, and those unissued, the final results for that polling place are certified by CEO, and bound and sealed for transmission to Electoral HQ for that electorate, where they will be again checked
on the following Monday etc, whilst Postal, PrePoll and Absentee Votes are also Counted. After all this is done, Preferences are distributed, from the bottom up., until one candidate gets 50% plus One Vote...Recounts can and are requested , with-out question;
Court of Disputed Returns ( High Court of A) decides disputed election results ( usually for a Constitutional Impediment).
Voter Fraud is extremely rare, and usually inconsequential
( people voting often, etc) to a result. Getting more difficult as AEC uses Laptops for up to date Rolls comparison ( Printed Book)
Despite the obligation to vote
( Constitutional Right to Free Vote), the System works quite well...sometimes the Election is decided by 8pm Saturday night..
Sometimes it takes a week or more to settle " close run " districts.

Doc AV
Scrutineer for over 30 years
Down Under.
Voting is not mandatory in NZ......and both permanent residents and citizens can vote.
 

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IF stealing the election pans true, how would we know? With the News, Tec's Social Media and noone asking the questions anymore, how would we fnd out? Look what happend to Assange for being a journalist.
Anyone who would steal an election certainly dosent give a damn about any laws or Rights, and the best way to subject anyone is to disarm them first.
That is the most rational first move on the course for an internal takeover, but whos rational anymore?

Lets hope for a clean election, and if the Electoral Collage cant do it, Congress will.
The day that POTUS will be decided is still a month away.

I , for one, belive Biden will implement Gun Control thats "bigger and better", (by his standards), than the 'Assault Weapons Ban" he was so proud of passing in the 90's.
 

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I expect Biden will follow the Obama playbook. He'll wait for a mass shooting, pore over the laws, try to ban some random features by executive order, then call it a win before the court challenges negate almost all of it.
 

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IF stealing the election pans true, how would we know? With the News, Tec's Social Media and noone asking the questions anymore, how would we fnd out? Look what happend to Assange for being a journalist.
Anyone who would steal an election certainly dosent give a damn about any laws or Rights, and the best way to subject anyone is to disarm them first.
That is the most rational first move on the course for an internal takeover, but whos rational anymore?

Lets hope for a clean election, and if the Electoral Collage cant do it, Congress will.
The day that POTUS will be decided is still a month away.

I , for one, belive Biden will implement Gun Control thats "bigger and better", (by his standards), than the 'Assault Weapons Ban" he was so proud of passing in the 90's.
It is hard with the Tech Lords and Media trying to control the narrative by manipulating information.

There is a good reason why the SCOTUS has assigned Justices to each state in order to watch over the preceding's. In some of these places, the Democrats have been in power for ~100 years. For example, In Pennsylvania the Obama appointed Judge threw out the Presidents lawsuit without even looking at the evidence.

Federal Judge Dismisses Trump Campaign Lawsuit to Delay Certification in Pennsylvania, Campaign to Appeal
Giuliani added that the campaign fully disagrees with Brann’s opinion given the evidence they have on hand and claimed that the evidence was being censored.
“There is so much evidence that in Pennsylvania, Democrats eliminated our opportunity to present 50 witnesses and other evidence that election officials blatantly ignored Pennsylvania’s law denying independent review.

The flipside is nobody expected to win in a Democratic constructed political machine with an Obama appointed judge. The SCOTUS ensured a speedy decision has cleared the way for the case to rise to the 3rd Circuit court. "Bush vs Gore" was defeated all the way until it reached the SCOTUS. These kind of shenanigan's from the lower court/state draw the irk of the SCOTUS much in the same way we see these same states manipulating gun law to deny the 2nd Amendment.

Eventually the evidence will be examined but it won't be while it is in the states court system. In the meantime, the mass consumption media will continue to push a skewed vision of what they want you to see IAW the money that feeds them.

I expect Biden will follow the Obama playbook. He'll wait for a mass shooting, pore over the laws, try to ban some random features by executive order, then call it a win before the court challenges negate almost all of it.
Exactly. The Democrats do not view the law or our Constitution as something to be revered or followed. It is nothing more than an impediment to their seeking ultimate power and implementation of their socialist vision.

Bidens vision of gun control will not be implemented thru any real legal review as the law is a nuisance. They will simply implement it and leave the law abiding citizen to bear the brunt of time/treasure to secure their rights. The Democrat plan is to push the Judicial Branch and citizenry for every inch they will give.
 

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I would be amazed if it did not affect firearms over there.He seems hostile to certain kinds of firearms and if the opportunity presents itself I am sure he will take it.

Voting is not mandatory in NZ......and both permanent residents and citizens can vote.
I thought it was interesting that NZ allows Permanent residents to vote.

Generally speaking, NZ citizenship requirements are more stringent than the United States and the process takes longer. We do not allow permanent residents to vote because they have not been in the country for that long nor have they taken the citizenship exam to show they understand our political system and the history behind it.
 

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You are right but the media talking points, including Fox, say Sidney, Ruddy and the rest have no evidence. Never mind all the evidence they presented in the press conference. The media has given it to Biden, right or wrong, and exploding that incorrect assumption. They(Trump team), attacked the media so they have gone in the defensive mode. The media is the problem.

They are ignoring the stats that some data shows that some reporting stations have 200% votes times the number of registered voters. That is no evidence? They have evidence that ballets were run 6 or more times each. Thumb drives and other computers were used to changed the voter cast to voter credited ratio. They have evidence that no Republicans were allowed at some sites, required by law, and thousands of ballots were tabulated with no required supervision, done after the Republicans were sent home after midnight and only one vote per ballot, Biden. Exactly what the heck do they think constitutes evidence?

The whole thing stinks ban the media likes it.
"There is, in revolutions, only the evidence winners allow, they spout to the media informational propagandas the history to be spoken, written." thousands of years history is shape shifted by the rulers ultimately setting in the seats of power! <><Dan><>
 

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It would be better to read the judge’s ruling in Pennsylvania rather than just slam him as an Obama appointee, but regarding that slur:

“ It is true that Brann was appointed by former President Barack Obama, but he is a Republican and Federalist Society member who was sponsored by the state’s Republican senator Pat Toomey — a common situation when a state’s two senators are from different parties, and an administration has to horse-trade on appointments.”
 

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It would be better to read the judge’s ruling in Pennsylvania rather than just slam him as an Obama appointee, but regarding that slur:

“ It is true that Brann was appointed by former President Barack Obama, but he is a Republican and Federalist Society member who was sponsored by the state’s Republican senator Pat Toomey — a common situation when a state’s two senators are from different parties, and an administration has to horse-trade on appointments.”
I not only read the ruling, I read several legal analysis of it. Those conclusions are in my post.
 

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I not only read the ruling, I read several legal analysis of it. Those conclusions are in my post.
Then you know the Republican judge said it’s ridiculous to throw out millions of votes based on a complaint by two people who say their votes were mishandled.

“ Trump lawyers added that the ruling denied them “the opportunity to present our evidence at a hearing.” They described that as “censorship” of “50 witnesses” who would have testified that state election officials denied the “independent review” required by Pennsylvania law. This is an apparent reference to the campaign’s claim that its poll-watchers were not given a meaningful opportunity to observe the canvass, which the lawyers say, “resulted in 682,777 ballots being cast illegally.” The campaign did not mention that it had dropped this charge from its original complaint. Nor did it allude to Brann’s conclusion that the allegation was not a cognizable equal-protection claim under federal law.”
 

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Then you know the Republican judge said it’s ridiculous to throw out millions of votes based on a complaint by two people who say their votes were mishandled.
It is not two people. It is the entire foundation of our election and it's integrity. NOBODY expects to prevail in Pennsylvanian State Court.

The campaign did not mention that it had dropped this charge from its original complaint.
Your news outlet failed to mention that it was not dropped due to merits, it was dropped because they received relief for that portion and it is working its way thru the court system. Great example of how the Media manipulates information.

It was removed because it was decided they already won that portion in a ruling from an earlier lawsuit and the case is now being appealed by the State of Pennsylvania.

The motion to expedite consideration of the petition for a writ of certiorari is denied. JUSTICE BARRETT took no part in the consideration or decision of this motion. Additional opinions may follow. Statement of JUSTICE ALITO, with whom JUSTICE THOMAS and JUSTICE GORSUCH join.

The Court’s handling of the important constitutional issue raised by this matter has needlessly created conditions that could lead to serious post-election problems. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania has issued a decree that squarely alters an important statutory provision enacted by the Pennsylvania Legislature pursuant to its authority under the Constitution of the United States to make rules governing the conduct of elections for federal office.
We do not decide today whether the Deadline Extension or the Presumption of Timeliness are proper exercises of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania’s lawmaking authority, delegated by the U.S. Constitution, to regulate federal elections. Nor do we evaluate the policy wisdom of those two features of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s ruling.
That case will come before them.

 

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Then you’ll have to excuse my confusion - Rudy drops the allegations from 50 witnesses, then loses the court case and claims that prevents the 50 witnesses from testifying.
 

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Then you’ll have to excuse my confusion - Rudy drops the allegations from 50 witnesses, then loses the court case and claims that prevents the 50 witnesses from testifying.
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Your confusion comes from the fact the 50 witnesses are apparently not attached to the dropped portion. Just a guess, but I would think Mr Giuliani (Rudy with whom you are on a first name basis) knows more about the law and the specifics of the case than you do.
 

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I sort of doubt it, he (MISTER Giuliani to you), hasn’t shown it so far, but ok.

Do all of his witnesses come in batches of 50?
 

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Do all of his witnesses come in batches of 50?
Does Hunter have any dealing that are legal?
 
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