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Finally got the girl on paper---well, sort of "on paper".
Actually, the targets I use at 100 yards aren't really 100 yard targets and the front sight post on the M4 clones pretty much covers the black completely---so I gave up trying to group on paper, for now.
Below, you can see the sight settings that I needed to get point of impact/point of aim correlation at 100 yards.
Nice, huh?

Anyway, thanks to a 4'X6' sheet of paper, I finally got to see a bullet hole last Sunday---nearly three feet low and about eighteen inches right of POA.
I cranked the front post as far down as a bullet tip would allow and raised the backsight as you see, to 500 meters. Then I had to give up almost half of my left windage---which I do not like at all...but that could be the design of the backsight, the unit twists and sits crooked a little on the elevation screw. Oh well, it was free---maybe that's why.
So the Barnaul 59 grain got me on target---then I decided to go with a suggestion from the previous thread. The idea was to do rapid fire strings at the 100 yard gong and forget paper target rules---the original suggestion was rapid fire at differing ranges, but I was running out of daylight.
With more of the Barnaul---23 out of 25 on the steel and then with the suspect Wolf MC "70" grain load I got 24 out of 25 with impact generally in the middle of the gong for both types----this was offhand, by the way, so no clinical results at all.
It does seem to be the way the rifle was meant to be used, though----it was hitting the note.
I will be looking into another backsight and getting the tool for the front, other than that, I'm happy.
(One failure to feed in 100 rounds---but it's still a new rifle.)
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Sure doesn't seem right to me, should be a pretty accurate little carbine. What's the twist on the tube?
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Whack this one...




But seriously folks, I switched the backsight to one of the clamp-on handle types, which was checked with a boresight---so all should be well.
Further report after another session tomorrow AM.
Happy new year.
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Got rid of the previous backsight and went with this handle mounted model---


Cute, ain't it?



One hundred yard test targets fired with 10/86 ammunition believed to be Russian.
First target, high and left, 7/8" center to center.


Second target, two clicks up on the front and one click right, 1 3/8" c. to c.


Since we set the new rig with a boresight, I shot the first round of the day at the 200 yard gong without doing a paper registration set---it hit and so did damn near everything else I had time for today. Sight was adjusted to center after the second test target.
Ammunition was the 10/86, 539/76 and more Barnaul-----all of it good.
Two failure-to-feed jams with the horrid C-Products magazine in a cold dirty rifle.
Running USGI magazines under the same cold/dirty conditions did not produce any failures at all....and it was cold here on the plains today.

7/8"------hah.
S&W M&P = More Fun Than Viagra

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Whack this one...




But seriously folks, I switched the backsight to one of the clamp-on handle types, which was checked with a boresight---so all should be well.
Further report after another session tomorrow AM.
Happy new year.
-----krinko
Shoot, i have "whacked" Mosin's (bolt handles) a lot more uncommon/rare than that M39!
(Nice looking M39 though).
Glad you got the rifle shooting like it should, but S&W owes you a rear sight. That's ridiculous for that kind of money to have that crap going on.
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As Perplexed says, the rifle does not come with a backsight. So, S&W delivered all they were required to deliver----a reliable, accurate rifle.

The first backsight was a used freebie from the shop where I got the rifle----the handle that's on there now was offered to me---on approval, no less---by the same shop.
I'll be paying for it Saturday.
Does your gunshop let you walk off with $100 bits, take them out and scratch them up, on the chance that you---might---buy them?
Somehow, I don't think so.
Freulich wie ein Held zum Ziegen, Baby.
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As Perplexed says, the rifle does not come with a backsight. So, S&W delivered all they were required to deliver----a reliable, accurate rifle.

The first backsight was a used freebie from the shop where I got the rifle----the handle that's on there now was offered to me---on approval, no less---by the same shop.
I'll be paying for it Saturday.
Does your gunshop let you walk off with $100 bits, take them out and scratch them up, on the chance that you---might---buy them?
Somehow, I don't think so.
Freulich wie ein Held zum Ziegen, Baby.
-----krinko
I didn't mean to "step on your toes" about the Mosin "whackin" Krinko, (i sense that irritated you and i was just kidding).

Actually, my favorite gunshop does do things like that for me. I get to go in the "back" and root around amongst all the the cool surplus/used stuff too.
When they get in used/consignment rifles, i usually get first pick before they hit the floor.
Since they are also a Pawn shop, they also give me that priveledge with other stuff too. I have taken home a nice Mtn. bike and a Husqavaurna chainsaw to tryout.... (i bought it). The mountain bike i returned, but i cleaned, oiled and adjusted it before i did.
In return, i help them identify/value military stuff they don't know about.
They will "hold" stuff for me with no money down, and take as long as i need to pay it off.
It's alway's good to foster a relationship like that with your favorite gun dealer, i have gotten some excellent deals from them!
So do all the M&P's come without rear sights?....are they all "Flattops?". Interesting....who makes the receivers for them?
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"(i sense that irritated you and i was just kidding)"

usrifle---

I'm just kidding, too-----most of the time. This internet forum thing must not be taken too seriously.
Anyway, for unknown reasons, I am so happy at the way this M&P thing turned out, that you could stuff yellowjackets in my earholes and I wouldn't get irritated.

As far as I know, the M&Ps are all flat-tops. The other one the shop had was in .223 and it was---seeing two of them is enought to draw a conclusion, isn't it?
The front sight was meant to be used as a cowitness with a scope---maybe that's why it was left screwed out so far?
Tried a friend's Eotech Thursday----pretty nice and it was accurate out to 200 meters but I just don't like scopes.
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As a matter of fact, my local shop has allows me to take home AR barrels, handguards and stocks home to try out with no paperwork involved. I think they even loaned me a rifle to go shoot.


As Perplexed says, the rifle does not come with a backsight. So, S&W delivered all they were required to deliver----a reliable, accurate rifle.

The first backsight was a used freebie from the shop where I got the rifle----the handle that's on there now was offered to me---on approval, no less---by the same shop.
I'll be paying for it Saturday.
Does your gunshop let you walk off with $100 bits, take them out and scratch them up, on the chance that you---might---buy them?
Somehow, I don't think so.
Freulich wie ein Held zum Ziegen, Baby.
-----krinko
 
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