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I have been searching online for a while in regards to a rifle I bought a few years ago and I have been coming up a bit short. I hoping someone here will be able to help me out, and could tell me the age, history, value(should I use it deer hunting or store it )and any other facts about this gun. I have seen many Jap 99's that are close but have seen no Siamese guns(Thia)anywhere out there for sale, pictures or much info on this type of gun.
What I do know(or think I know)...is that this is a Siamese Jap Type 38 that is used by Thia police. My gun has the Charka emblem and 1793 in Thia numbering on the receiver, bolt, and stock. The stock is also one piece verses Jap 99's that were two piece used by the Japanese. The bolt is bent(manufactured that way). Also, The Siamese took a few thousand 35th year Arisakas but modified them to shoot 8mm or 8x51mm Mauser and carry the Sandscrit marking on them. Could my gun be a 35th year Arisaka? I don't know. If anyone out there can help me I would love to know more on this gun or who I should contact to find out. Check out the pictures below.








 

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It looks like you have a 'Thai Police carbine', the bent bolt and cutout wood beneath the handle, and the M1 carbine type sling cutout in the butt are correct for this carbine.

It should still be in 6.5x50mm Japanese, and was made from a normal T38 rifle, not a T35.

They are neat little carbines and should make a fine hunting rifle as is.

They are valuable as a collector item too; so don't modify it; maybe $300+/-.
 

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These are considered pretty desirable. good find. Siamese rifles other than type 46's are pretty tough to find.
 

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Thnaks Guys....do either of you know where I could find more info on them...? I've been banging my head on the wall trying to find the history of the guns and all i can find is a brief note saying the Japaneses sold Arisaka to the Siamese back during WWII...thats about it.
Thanks for the info....
 

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That's about all that is out there. There have been a couple threads on them, maybe Frank will see this and add some info.

The T38 book will be out in a couple months, that will be a source of info for you.

These were imported to the US in the 60's if I remember correctly; something in the neighborhood of 7,000 were converted, I don't know how many were imported.
 

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Well, the one I have has English numbering on the sites, and the few Thia guns I've seen had Siamese(Thia) numbering on the sites. So perhaps this could be one of them? Frank is the guy I was recommended to see from another site...I hope he does have so info he could provide. Anyway, if anyone out there has info, I can provide better pictures to help in identifying the gun.....I thought it would have been easier than its been. Frank.....where are you?
 

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Siam Police carbine.

Look at your rear sight closely, if like the other modifications to this configuration the center section was removed and the top welded to the bottom to create a "carbine length" sight.

There have been a couple of articles in past BANZAIs on these, but Frank Allan is the Siamese rifle guru. If he does not answer this post, as noted above, it should be covered in his new book.
 

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He's got the proper rewelded rifle sight. Long rifle sights go up to 24(00) and carbines 20(00)
 

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Thai carbine

This is the Royal Thai Army version of these carbines. The police version, with a different crest, is designated Type 91 and we believe that this is also the designation of the army version. No records available on them in Thailand. More about these in the upcoming T-38 book.

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This is the Royal Thai Army version of these carbines. The police version, with a different crest, is designated Type 91 and we believe that this is also the designation of the army version. No records available on them in Thailand. More about these in the upcoming T-38 book.

Frank
Glad to see you've joined us on the "new" boards.

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Hi Roy,
glad you finally made it!

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Mr Allen,
Thanks for the clarifacation.....
Any ide how many were made, the age of the carbine, value(roughly)?
..or am I going to have to buy your book?:)
 

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Carbine pictured on the MilSurp thread is incorrect, the Siamese bent the bolt handles and stamped the serial number in Siamese on the bolt root. In the early 80s Springfield Sporters had a number of these carbines with regular 38 bolts, handle not bent. Some wee vbent by later owners, but if it does not have the siamese #s it is not original to the carbine.
 

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It looks like you have a 'Thai Police carbine', the bent bolt and cutout wood beneath the handle, and the M1 carbine type sling cutout in the butt are correct for this carbine.

It should still be in 6.5x50mm Japanese, and was made from a normal T38 rifle, not a T35.

They are neat little carbines and should make a fine hunting rifle as is.

They are valuable as a collector item too; so don't modify it; maybe 300 +/-


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I do not agree with the estimate...+/- $300

I recently sold one for $900.00........Very fine example like the one above
And the only other one I seen for sale DID not sell and the bid ended over $1,000!.....

I just wanted to make darn sure that the owner of the weapon know's the latest estimate of these guns...there not often encountered and very expensive!


Enjoy

BAF
 
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